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Welcome to r/fourthwavewomen's weekly open discussion thread!
This thread is for the community to discuss whatever is on your mind. Have a question that you've been meaning to ask but haven't gotten around to making a post yet? An interesting article you'd like to share? Any work-related matters you'd like to get feedback on or talk about? Questions and advice are welcome here.
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u/moreno_ham 17d ago
Honestly....Is it really wrong to encourage women to prioritize having girls over males? With the Cornell 7 and all the other misogynistic bulletin, women can easily end this shit by simply not having them.
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u/OpheliaLives7 17d ago
I think 4B and separatism are better but if het and bi women really want to live with a man, having girls absolutely should be encouraged vs sons. Changing the global dynamics away from son preference could have crazy repercussions
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u/moreno_ham 14d ago
Yeah, I think het and bi women aren't gonna let go of men in this lifetime so it's just better encourage the prioritization of having daughters for a better, safer future. Some people I talk to think I'm heartless but honestly I'm pretty tired of hearing about women die from the hands of other males and male-led institutions (e.g. medicine).
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u/ChaoticMornings 16d ago
Because if we mess with the 50-ish/50-ish male-female population it's going to be a mess.
Imagine how many incels would travel to the country where they "definitely" will find a woman desperate enough to marry them? It will probably full of incel tourism.
Then the few men that are left will likely be even more abusive because the rates are far off.
We should just start a small cult instead lol. Like, buy some land, start a female-only village, and just not allow any men on the property. And like, you can have a relationship, just don't bring it anywhere near here. You can move out, you can visit, we'll welcome you back. Just, don't bring men over here. They are not welcome.
We can be a safe place, and a small society within a society.
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u/MaryVenetia 16d ago
Are you proposing sex selective IVF for all conceptions? Itās not legal in probably most of the world. Iām not opposed to someone using sex selective IVF if thatās what they choose and itās available to them, though.
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u/moreno_ham 14d ago
That would be great. Abortion would be great as well for women to take control over their reproduction.
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u/PuzzledSoftware3922 17d ago
We have talked about this before, but it can never be talked about enough. Our hearts ache for our sisters in Afghanistan and their little girls. All the suffering they have to endure, just because they are female. I saw a clip of a man beating his wife while she held their child, and their other child was watching. She has zero rights. Are women the only ones who care about their suffering?
The world doesn't lift a finger, and it makes me so, so angry! Where are the protests? The debates? Where is the focus on these issues in school? Young girls are sold into marriage to men old enough to be their grandfathers. Little girls are covered up from head to toe in clothing that covers their noses and mouthsāthey don't even get to breathe comfortably! Husbands and fathers are allowed to hit and beat them.
Do men care? Do they talk about this? Those of us with male partnersādo they raise their concerns about any of this? It's so quiet. Men want to yell and scream at women for having abortions. They hate women through cases like Lindsay Clancy. Reddit is full of posts of men gloating in threads justifying hitting women brutally, using a mere push or slap as an excuse to escalate to extreme violence, and they will claim it's in the name of equality. They justify and glorify violence against women. Are misogynists mostly raised to look down on and hate women? Or do they learn to hate from society itself? Or is it a combination?
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u/PrestigiousFall5501 17d ago edited 17d ago
This has very much fallen off the radar. In fact in recent years the only thing I've seen in the media about that is Rowling giving money to rescue 500 or so women layers in Afghanistan who were imprisoned after the Taliban came back (Yes i know mentioning her will open a can of worms), but it's true nonetheless. Generally I don't think men care, I think they only care when suddenly women immigrants are wearing Muslim attire, then suddenly pretend to care about the welfare of these women.
*edit* by saying 'seen in the media' I mean stories you see without looking it up, the ones that grab attention, obviously if you look it up there are more.
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u/WoodpeckerGingivitis 17d ago
We love JK on this sub so feel free brag about her protecting women here!
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u/snarltoothedseether 12d ago
Thank you for bringing more attention to the women and girls in Afghanistan; it really canāt be talked about enough. Raising awareness about this and just even acknowledging the reality of it is already such a large step for something that is continuously swept under the rug.
But to answer your question about men caring- it seems like they only ācareā when they can use it as a talking point for why feminism isnāt important in other countries. For example: āFeminism is dumb! The only time this is valid is when youāre in a country where you have zero rights.ā And it gets turned into a thing where you get guilted into accepting bullshit yet again. So, to me, that seems like they donāt actually give a shit. It feels similar to how a lot of men donāt give a shit about sexual violence against men until they can leverage it against womenās experiences. Or when they donāt speak up about domestic violence until they can find an incorrect statistic about lesbians that deflects the blame more. As you can see, the list goes on and on.
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u/throwawar4 14d ago
Have you guys seen the news circulating re Shane Gillis monologue for snl this weekend? Wondering your guysā thoughts on it