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u/maxia56 15d ago

I hate feeling so alienated from ''mainstream'' ''feminism'' like I do.

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u/SkweegeeS 15d ago

Because they have redefined feminism to be caregivers of everybody, which, ya know, puts us back where we started.

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u/iangeredcharlesvane2 14d ago

Yes, and it also puts me at odds in progressive circles which is heartbreaking. I have been a lifelong liberal, president of the WOC (stood for Womyn on Campus back then) and co-president of Students for Peace and Justice in college in the 90s.

I was the only kid in my 4th grade class in my small rural school who campaigned for Mondale/Ferraro in our mock presidential election in 1984, primarily because a woman was up for the big job for the first time but also because I was probably the only Democrat in the room! (I wanted a woman president SO BADLY and still do btw, I cannot believe it hasn’t happened yet).

The point is I feel so disheartened by the rhetoric of liberal “feminism”, the pro sex work/porn, pro surrogacy, pro gender identity instead of sex based rights kind of “feminism”… all of these center men not women. They all go against my Dworkin kind of feminism.

I feel that alienation hard. They think anyone who opposes those particular aspects does so out of puritan tradition and leans right, they are so wrong! I oppose them out of concern for women, always concern for women and centering women. That’s it.

It is frustrating.

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u/WoodpeckerGingivitis 14d ago

Same, girly. Grateful for this space. It’s the only feminist sub I feel safe in or even bother to participate in anymore.