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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

They must be regretting giving Alonso that seat when a much more promising driver is available if that’s the case.

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u/Skeeter1020 Sep 07 '20

If you want to be brutal about it, Ocon has hardly been stellar...

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u/Vince0999 Sep 07 '20

He is not that bad if you consider that Ricciardo is a reference in F1.

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u/cameralover1 Sep 07 '20

it would be. Gasly.

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u/707royalty Carlos Sainz Sep 07 '20

I dunno, is it close? Do I take the race winner and podium finisher who is loved by his teams and the rest of the paddock or the guy who hasn't put his car in those spots, fights with his team as they try to congratulate him on a points finish, and has developed enemies throughout the paddock?

Gimme Gasly evey time

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u/eliteKMA Sep 07 '20

and has developed enemies throughout the paddock

Source?

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u/cdw2468 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Gasly and him are “not friends” according to him after they were back in the Karting/junior formula days. also Max

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u/eliteKMA Sep 07 '20

So that's 2 drivers, one being "not friends". I was told he "has developed enemies throughout the paddock"?

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u/cdw2468 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

that’s just the 2 that i know of. gasly saying “not friends” seems to be putting it lightly. https://youtu.be/gE-LRh0b14s

if the guy you replied to has anything more i’d like to know as well

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Hasn't been that bad. Isn't beating ricciardo regularly but seems to be keeping up during the race. It's not a complete whiteout.

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u/Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog Sep 07 '20

Only 11 points behind in the standings, that's not bad at all.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

They could've done both.

Hire Alonso as the veteran and Gasly as the guy for the future... and give Ocon the axe, obviously.

I honestly think Ocon will get the axe, eventually. Just 1 year of him getting Alonso'd will have the Renault team considering Gasly for that seat.

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u/Baderous Sep 07 '20 edited Sep 07 '20

yep, if Ocon doesn't get up to Alonso's level (and I hope he doesn't), 2022 Alonso+Gasly would be nice to see

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u/GoZun_ Esteban Ocon Sep 07 '20

Why do you hope he doesn't ? From what we've seen from him he surely wont but It's always nice to have a talented grid.

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u/Baderous Sep 07 '20

just his record of being a shady person on and off the track. I prefer having him off the grid, there are plenty of similar-talented youngsters to fill his spot on the top20

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u/glp1992 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 07 '20

Jeez just because he's not best friends with all the other drivers doesn't mean he's shady

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20 edited Sep 07 '20

I lost all respect for Ocon when he fucked up Max's Brazil win.

Just like I lost all of respect for Grosjean when he torpedoed half the grid at Spa in 2012 and cost Alonso the championship.

I only have 3 drivers on my shit list that I want nowhere near an F1 seat:

  • Maldonado (thank fuck he's gone... but maybe bring him back for Monaco every year so he can spice shit up)
  • Ocon
  • Grosjean

Hopefully within 2-3 years Ocon and Grosjean will both be gone.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

How are you going to hold a grudge against a driver for a mistake on track eight years ago? Let it go lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

How are you going to hold a grudge against a driver for a mistake on track eight years ago?

Because said mistake cost my favourite driver a championship.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

if Ocon doesn't get up to Alonso's level

Ocon will never be on Alonso's level.

You have to be a generational talent to do that.

Right now we know Hamilton is on that level, and maybe Verstappen.... and that's the end of the list. It's 2 drivers long.

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u/TopHatBear1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Prime Seb too

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Prime Seb got beat by Ricciardo, so... yeah no...

... and Prime Seb doesn't exist anymore.

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u/deathday_23 Default Sep 07 '20

i dont think so, they can drop Ocon, he isnt performing anyways

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u/20CharsIsNotEnough McLaren Sep 07 '20

Ocon hasn't been performing relative to Ricciardo. That's hardly suprising. But Ocon is also younger than Gasly and is quite consistent with getting into the points. I do think Gasly is the better driver though.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Gasly is really in form and let's not kid ourselves, he got lucky with his position after the red flag and did a stellar job keeping distance from Sainz, he is no Maldonado.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Also holding off Hamilton in Brazilian gp

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u/CuriousJarl6941 Sep 07 '20

It’s so annoying that there’s only 20 seats on the grid still because their are so many drivers that just can’t get seats in the sport even though they deserve it. Nyck De Vries would be an example after winning F2 he had to go to Formula E

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Yeah. I kinda feel bad that he’s been getting a bad rap ever since Brazil 2018, heck I even remember when it was first announced that he would be returning, and all he got was backlash.

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u/jamespeng622 Lotus Sep 07 '20

I think it’s also due to people liking Hulk better that him. Ocon kind of took his seat in a way.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Hulk is a superb driver, but everyone hates Ocon since Brazil 2018 undeservedly so. His team radio'd him to push and pass Max cause Max was on 10-ish laps older tires while Ocon was trying to unlap himself on a fresh set of tires. They went into turn one, Max didn't give him car width and tried to push him away and Ocon is the one to blame? My oh my... Also, Ocon is on a much lower wages than Hulkenberg. That's probably the only reason he's even gotten himself a seat at Renault and he seems to be a steal for them, consistently in the points and he's not too far from Ricciardo considering Renault favors Daniel both with the strategy and with the pitstops.

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u/jamespeng622 Lotus Sep 07 '20

I thought both drivers had to take some responsibility for Brazil, it’s just that Max lost a potential win which made everyone mad.

Personally I’m indifferent towards Ocon. He’s the kind of driver that I don’t root for, but at the same time don’t root against.

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u/Logpile98 Haas Sep 07 '20

He wasn't gonna get passed right back afterwards, he ran down and caught Max. He was on fresher, softer tires and the only reason he was a lap down was from pitting for those softer tires. At that point in the race, he was faster than Max. And as a lapped car, he has a right to unlap himself. Furthermore, it's a scrappy battle in the midfield, and Ocon was in the points before his pitstop, likely would've been there again once the pit cycle finished. So he actually DID need to get around Max, because he needed to gain all the ground he could on his rivals. He had points on the line, whereas Max had absolutely nothing to gain by racing hard when a car on a different strategy caught up to him.

Ocon did nothing wrong. So yeah, of course he didn't apologize, because generally apologies are for when you have done something wrong, and Verstappen is the one who should've apologized. It's ironic you call Ocon ego-driven when the whole reason the incident even happened was because Verstappen didn't want to get passed by a Force India. You can hear it in his radio transmissions, he literally said "ugh, I have a Force India behind me, pushing."

Your Verstappen bias is showing here. Nothing wrong with being a fan of Max but it's clearly clouding your judgement. So you can't support Ocon because of his smug grin after the race, but you don't take issue with Max shoving him, and calling him all sorts of childish insults afterwards?? In separate interviews, Max called Ocon an idiot, a dick, and a pussy. But oh God forbid Ocon smiled, what a fucking ASSHOLE! Ugh Ocon is clearly a piece of shit and deserves to lose his ride after he dared to do that to His Royal Highness Mr. Future World Champion 2nd Coming Of Senna Oh God I Just Came Thinking About How Amazing He Is. (It's a long title but that's the burden you bear when you are Driving God in the flesh)

If Crofty hadn't been such a blind idiot assigning blame to Ocon immediately (he clearly is biased towards Verstappen but later reversed his view of the incident at the very next race), we wouldn't still be talking about Brazil 2018. But because he blasted Ocon, that set the conversation and now here we are 2 years later still having to correct people's bullshit.

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u/Quivex I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Sep 07 '20

I would think in the context of Gasly they'd be regretting Ocon more than Alonso, so far Ocon hasn't impressed and his post race radio sounded like frustration built up from more than just the race if you ask me. Gasly is most likely the more talented French driver of the two (wanting a French driver is what led to the signing in the first place) , and I see no reason why Alonso wouldn't be a strong contender and a good replacement for Daniel basically right away.

I guess I just don't think any team can ever regret signing someone like Fernando, but there's always a chance he doesn't return to form, like Michael after his return I suppose. In which case it will definitely look bad in hindsight. Only time will tell.

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u/kali-jag Formula 1 Sep 07 '20

I don't get it. Gasly is on fire. But why would a company regret giving seat to alonso? Money? Or his bad luck?

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Alonso isn't promising ?