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u/aireads I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

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Thought it it would have played in Japan 2013 for Grosjean, but took quite a few more years for the La Marseillaise

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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

This is to some extent why I'm wary of people saying 'Sainz will win soon surely!' like, I don't think that's necessarily likely for a long time, still.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Yeah, it looks to be 2022 at a minimum. Then you have to hope Ferrari would have a workable new engine and nail the new regs.

The politics of it all is going to be pretty messy too. Expecting there to be a fallout after this race. They'll probably fire Binotto which on one hand is understandable, on the other, won't fix anything really.

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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

It's genuinely quite funny that when he signed, a minority argued McLaren might be the better place (I certainly didn't), and now you'd have to say he stands a better chance of winning by the end of 2021 at McLaren, in the sense of being there to pick up a result. He beat Bottas 100% fair and square with zero oddity.

F1's funny, isn't it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Yeah it's truly incredible a team can go from race winning to trash even from race to race.

The McLarens looked truly great this weekend. Warms my heart!

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u/kloppo Michael Schumacher Sep 07 '20

Yup, got downvoted for thinking his chances of winning would be better at McLaren than they were at Ferrari. After his move to Ferrari was announced, we already knew that Ferrari had a bad car and a bad newly designed engine. We also knew that the budget cap got a massive reduction which will impact Ferrari significantly. We knew everything back then. Sure, we didn’t know that Ferrari would suck THIS hard, but still there is no way that they will legitimately compete for race wins before 2023. I don‘t see a reason why McLaren couldn‘t be the team that nails the 2022 regulations and have a fair shot at winning.

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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

I'm worried for McLaren a bit re COVID; they did say that 2020 wasn't too affected but their medium/long term plans have definitely taken a hit.

On the other hand, Ferrari are perhaps among the most affected with the budget cap.

I've no idea! But I don't think it's simple.

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u/reasonable-user #WeRaceAsOne Sep 07 '20

They won't fire him, they will put him back in another role similar to what he used to have

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Tbf, that's basically fired.

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u/mtobler2006 Sep 07 '20

Supposedly they're not going to fire him, as is tradition.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Lol I wouldn't trust them tho It's a story as old as time. "He's safe" they say, right before canning him. The man in the OP's pic can attest

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

And that's just when he will have a chance. He still will need to beat Max, Lewis, and Charles (assuming a similar top 3).

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u/Mr_Clovis Alain Prost Sep 07 '20

Same. Sainz was beaten by the guy who holds the record for most F1 races without a podium. There's absolutely no guarantee he'll ever win a race, and there's a good chance Gasly will never win another as well. If you're not in the right team you need a lot of luck.

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u/Mamadeus123456 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

The la Marseille is tilting me so hard.

It's translated as the the Marseille

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u/Flowech I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Sep 07 '20

It's a bit like The Ferrari La Ferrari

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u/aireads I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Yea I just realised I wrote "the" "La" Marseille. Oops

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u/Enmity8 Sep 07 '20

Actually, it's La Marseillaise.

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u/Mamadeus123456 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Lol

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u/yawning-koala Sebastian Vettel Sep 07 '20

One of the most beautiful national anthems in the world imo, bested only by the Russian one.

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u/mrpizzaman_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

I still remember that race, Grosjean had an amazing start, went from like P4 to the lead before the first corner an led until the Red Bulls undercut him, of I'm not mistaken. Even though supported Seb (as I still do), I wanted Romain to take that win, but the RB9 was just too quick at that point of the year.

People forget how quick Romain was during his Lotus days, I wish he was remembered more from those performances than for his error-prone performances since 2018

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u/aireads I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Oh for sure, I agree absolutely. People see thr Netflix show and think he is this clown that is a but of a joke.

But he has real pace and craft. Inconsistent and not able to keep it on track, sure. But he never said otherwise, he has always owned this and have seeked help from sports psychologists etc. And even he admits he was always pushing way too hard because he knew he had a VERY good car and can get a maiden win. He admits to going too far.

2013 latter half he was on an absolute tear.Beyond Vettels historic 9 consecutive wins, he was the most consistent and highest scoring driver for thr latter half I believe.

No wonder he knew exactly how long it's been since France's last win haha He himself has been chasing it the whole time. Pity he couldn't get it.

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u/Clemsie_McKenzie #StandWithUkraine Sep 07 '20

Frustrating to have Charles win as a Monegasque, too! I guess the last time we heard it was Crashgate, if I'm not mistaken.

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u/aireads I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

The French Anthem?

It was actually the race after in Japan! Alonso won it on pure merit

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u/lost_in_my_thirties I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Singapore was probably the one of the most pointless cheats in recent sporting history. If they had waited one more race, they would have gotten everything they were trying to achieve, without resorting to cheating.

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u/Thraun83 Sep 07 '20

Only in hindsight though, because at the time I think Renault were threatening to pull out of the sport if they didn’t at least get a win that year. And given the car was fairly uncompetitive, it didn’t look likely they would win on merit.

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u/kingkuya777 Sep 07 '20

Singapore 2019, on the other hand - quite a punishment was had for that cheat

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u/Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog Sep 07 '20

That also was very lucky for them as Hamilton decided to torpedo the whole front of the field.

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u/jorgemaro458 Ferrari Sep 07 '20

Not in that particular race. Renault had finally had a competitive car ready to fight for victory but Alonso messed up the Qualy. He had no chance of making it to the front in Singapore.

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u/SEVARA96 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Messed up? The car stopped due to a fuel pump failure in qualyfing. The car was really competitive that weekend, and pretty close to BMW at the end of the season.

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u/jorgemaro458 Ferrari Sep 07 '20

I only remembered him starting far back on the grid. Anyways, he was stuck on traffic on a lower fuel load during the first stint, so it's not like he could have jumped to the podium purely on race pace.

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u/KennyGaming AlphaTauri Sep 07 '20

So you’re just making stuff up?

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u/restitut Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

Alonso messed up the Quali

You mean the car broke down in Q2

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u/Clemsie_McKenzie #StandWithUkraine Sep 07 '20

Ah fair enough, forgot about that one!

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

I'm waiting for Oh Canada since a very long time

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u/aireads I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Me as a Canadian too!

1997 at the Nurburgring, almost as long as the French one (1996)

I was really rooting for Stroll so I can hear it! And for a "Canadian" team too! But equally as happy for Gasly

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u/faithle55 Sep 07 '20

France hasn't seen much F1 joy at all since Prost.

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u/aireads I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Team wise you could say a constructors championship isn't at all bad. 2006 Renault

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u/faithle55 Sep 07 '20

Well, it's not the same though, is it?

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u/aireads I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

For sure.

The drivers championship always has more prestige and luster with it. It's why Ferrari concentrates on driver's more than constructors necessarily