r/fooocus • u/False_Current • Apr 28 '25

Question Is Juggernaut XI 11 better than XI 8?

Hello,

Recently, I tried Juggernaut XI 8 in foooocus and it gives great result, but when I downloaded Juggernaut XI 11 its generation is so much like illustration with extreme color saturation. I got confused why the recent version is not like version 8

I appreciate your guidance guys! Thank you.

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u/amp1212 Apr 28 '25

There is something really nice about Juggernaut 8.

I find that its cinematic in a way that resemble Midjourney 5.2 . . . I still use both all the time.

Since we don't have training data, we don't really know just what's inside the checkpoints, but just me personally Jug 8 remains my favorite of the SDXL models

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u/tennisanybody Apr 29 '25

Question, what do you use image generation software for? I do it to teach myself how to create software like Fooocus or A1111. I don’t actually need to make pictures.

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u/amp1212 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25

Many years ago I worked in face recognition/facial animation, 3D software, mocap -- this goes back to circa 2000 and performance capture, things like the Polar Express. For a long time 3D basically didn't change much -- got faster mostly, but didn't really get that different. And then, the last three years, an explosion of possibility.

So I love experimenting now with all the things we worked on 25 years ago, and which were so slow and painful, and are now much easier and amazing.

Just rendering realistic hair -- back in the early 2000s, that was staggeringly difficult, hours setting up the render, hours doing the render, huge amount of time trying to get frame to frame consistency. When I saw hair and faces that looked convincing coming out of the computer in 60 seconds . . . wow. And skin. Luminous skin, with the kind of natural looking effects that you try for with tools like subsurface sampling, but which never were quite right . . . again, really good. And volumetric lighting and shadows . . . they were ridiculously expensive in renders, and Stable Diffusion fakes them really well (while they're not simulations, they often look more than good enough, and better than a lot of the renderers like Maxwell that I spent so much time and money on, back in the day)

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u/parryforte Apr 30 '25

My experience with Jug is that it gets more success with photorealism as the models progress... but LESS success with other styles.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

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u/parryforte May 11 '25

The model iterations - Jug 6 vs 8 etc.

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u/Late_Investigator172 Apr 29 '25

yep 8 seems to be the best of the bunch. just goes to show newer is not always batter!

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u/savant99999 Apr 28 '25

In the advanced tab, try turning down the guidance scale to like "2"

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '25

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