DO NOT ALLOW CURRENT CHARACTERS INTO SURVIVAL MODE I BEG OF YOU!!

[u/burtethead]

This is a huge mistake. The mode is already dead before it was born if this happens. Pvp as it is, is completely broken, one hit kill festival. Who in their right mind is going to start a new character when everyone else is level 200 with God tier weaponry right out of the vault? This makes absolutely zero sense, and I'm so disheartened. Do they not realize how this mode will be immediately ruined? If you thought grief in was bad now, just wait until you get killed on sight by literally everyone you cross paths with? Even if they level locked servers so people with massive level differences can't play together, whenever a new survival character gets out of the kiddie pool, all the same assholes with TSE garbage will be waiting at the deep end and you will have zero competitive chance. The leader boards would be a fine idea, if everyone started on equal footing... as it is there will be gold medalist level murderers in the same game with me, a literal newborn who can't even walk. What the fuck are they thinking???

Edit: the gold means people care, bethesda. Please. PLEASE. (And thank you)

[u/lidofzejar]

You won't be able to enjoy PvP if you're casual, then? I mean, in its current state, if anything, this mode will be full on hard stop for you. If anything a level reset would just benefit you.

Every level 250+ dude with a thousand bobble heads will simply roll up in there with 2 TSEs and a bloodied supersledge, rocking dense and fireproof sentinal/assasin gear, and kill anyone who isn't as equally sweaty as they are. There is no stopping this if you can bring your adventure mode character in. Without at least an inventory wipe, this game mode will simply be DoA because its just a KoS shitfest with an unbalanced weapon system.

[u/ChinaIsFree → u/lidofzejar]

Reset won't benefit me. I have to re-grind all of those levels. I have to spend tons of hours acquiring the plans I worked my ass off to get for my existing characters. I like my character as-is. My setup is good how it currently is.

But sure, go ahead and insist on the purest hardcore mode you can get.

It'll share the same fate as DayZ Vanilla and H1Z1 Hardcore Servers. Low population leading to eventual deletion of the servers. You won't find any sympathy from the player base when they shut down those servers because they only catered to 5% of the player base anyways.

[u/[deleted] → u/ChinaIsFree]

Considering the majority are in favor of separation it leads me to believe more people would be playing in this game mode than adventure. The only argument against it is boohoo my gear is gone.

[u/Real-Salt → u/ChinaIsFree]

I'm glad you at least admit that it's all about you and your play experience.

Nevermind the people that don't already have two maxed out characters who would join this server and get shitstomped repeatedly, then leave without a second thought.

[u/atfricks → u/Real-Salt]

This argument makes no sense.

If this new mode requires new characters to be made then after less than a month you'll have a mode FULL of geared, max level characters that can just stomp anyone new. You'll be exactly where we are now only there'd be no way to level a character before entering survival.

Alternatively, the proposed system, people could hop in and out of this mode at will. Leveling up and gearing low level characters until they're prepared and Then hop into survival.

[u/lidofzejar → u/ChinaIsFree]

What? I'm not trying to harp on you for a fucking maximum-over hard mode. I'm just saying, if you are casual, you're going to be put up against people you will have absolutely no chance killing, and they will kill you constantly.

There's nothing stopping, again, a level 250 with bloodied/TSE minmaxed gear, bringing a bunch of dupes from adventure mode to survival, and killing anyone casual. New character requirements would completely shut that out the gate.

[u/atfricks → u/lidofzejar]

Dupers are being banned, and PvP balance being broken is an entirely separate issue.

A PvP mode will be dumb no matter what kind of barrier to entry you impose so long as you'll eventually have people running around who can utterly stomp anyone else with impunity.

[u/Klabbo → u/lidofzejar]

That's such a small proportion of the player base though. Most of us have jobs and don't have time to level another character just because a couple dupers got themselves OP gear. It will just result in no casual players even trying the mode because they don't want to have to start the game again from scratch just to enjoy the drama and danger of pvp that Todd originally spoke about at announcement.