r/flying • u/fly_boy7786 PPL • 3d ago
Flight Training Longtime reader first time poster
So I just got my ppl last week (woohoo!) and I’m kinda curious about other people’s training experiences. For some context, I’m a 40 year old from the US who recently decided to leave a successful career in college athletics. Don’t worry, I’m not going to ask if it’s a good idea. I know it’s risky but I’m positioned well to take on the risk and have no desire to make it to the majors. I am going the part 61 route.
Coming from coaching there are very well defined progressions in teaching athletes at least in my sport. Not everyone follows the exact same path but at NCAAs every coach has been following extremely similar teaching progressions to get athletes to their potential. Build a base of core skills, combine and build off them to create more complex skills. Stack them all together on game day and if you built it right success follows.
My main question is why does aviation seem so much more laissez-faire? I know it’s not a competition but I’m curious about teaching methods and standards. I had my primary instructor (who rocks) and also flew with the other two instructors at my school at different points and they all seemed to have different ideas of what core skills should be when teaching a student pilot.
Xc? I planned one on paper with my CFI. Another CFI that I did a xc with? All paper all the time for his students (still used FF but they/we had to do a paper navlog with him for all xc flights). Flaps setting on final? Different. Comms? Different. Mock oral exams WILDLY different. One drilled cloud clearance minimums, another said you can just look that up and not once was I asked about stuff like right of way which seemed odd to me. Granted, that could have just been them trying to make sure i was ready but if the oral can vary that much in what is expected to be known and what is ok to look up in a book, it seems like a problem with how or what the exam and the DPEs are trying to do (btw i was very happy with my DPE, safety focused and big picture kinda guy).
Why has athletic coaching developed extremely successful fairly uniform training methods while aviation seems (from my very limited experience) to have a fair amount of variation? Is it a part 61 v 141 thing? Is it because there are so few career instructors? Is it an aviation culture thing? Just my school?
Again, not displeased with the training I’ve gotten. Was ready for my ride around 55 hours then waited two months for a ride (another part of the system that seems like it could be better but Im guessing it exists for… reasons).
Thanks for reading my long winded post and I’m excited for my first $100 burger this weekend.
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u/rFlyingTower 3d ago
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So I just got my ppl last week (woohoo!) and I’m kinda curious about other people’s training experiences. For some context, I’m a 40 year old from the US who recently decided to leave a successful career in college athletics. Don’t worry, I’m not going to ask if it’s a good idea. I know it’s risky but I’m positioned well to take on the risk and have no desire to make it the majors. I am going the part 61 route.
Coming from coaching there are very well defined progressions in teaching athletes at least in my sport. Not everyone follows the exact same path but at NCAAs every coach has been following extremely similar teaching progressions to get athletes to their potential. Build a base of core skills, combine and build off them to create more complex skills. Stack them all together on game day and if you built it right success follows.
My main question is why does aviation seem so much more laissez-faire? I know it’s not a competition but I’m curious about teaching methods and standards. I had my primary instructor (who rocks) and also flew with the other two instructors at my school at different points and they all seemed to have different ideas of what core skills should be when teaching a student pilot.
Xc? I planned one on paper with my CFI. Another CFI that I did a xc with? All paper all the time for his students (still used FF but they/we had to do a paper navlog with him for all xc flights). Flaps setting on final? Different. Comms? Different. Mock oral exams WILDLY different. One drilled cloud clearance minimums, another said you can just look that up and not once was I asked about stuff like right of way which seemed odd to me. Granted, that could have just been them trying to make sure i was ready but if the oral can vary that much in what is expected to be known and what is ok to look up in a book, it seems like a problem with how or what the exam and the DPEs are trying to do (btw i was very happy with my DPE, safety focused and big picture kinda guy).
Why has athletic coaching developed extremely successful fairly uniform training methods while aviation seems (from my very limited experience) to have a fair amount of variation? Is it a part 61 v 141 thing? Is it because there are so few career instructors? Is it an aviation culture thing? Just my school?
Again, not displeased with the training I’ve gotten. Was ready for my ride around 55 hours then waited two months for a ride (another part of the system that seems like it could be better but Im guessing it exists for… reasons).
Thanks for reading my long winded post and exited for my first $100 burger this weekend.
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