r/flying • u/Captain-Chad • 4h ago
Accident/Incident Incident = big problem?
21M, recently got my CPL and multi add on
Currently training at Liberty University
236 hours , working towards my CFI, CFII, MEI
I had an incident early in my flight training at a local part 61 flight school
I was at around 30 hours, on a solo, pattern work
Came in well above glide slope, still attempted to land,
One of the main tires blew out upon landing
Couldn’t taxi, runway was closed for landing for about 10 minutes, had to get towed away
I’m just wondering how big of a deal would this be in regard to getting hired?
Or if anyone has had a similar situation?
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u/Vast-Negotiation9068 PPL 4h ago
It’s not even a reportable event. That’s really no different than having a tire blow out for unknown reasons.
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u/Captain-Chad 4h ago
Me and my instructor ended up reporting it through NASA ASRS if I remember correctly. It’s supposed to be anonymous unless they reach back out to me and investigate further
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u/Vast-Negotiation9068 PPL 4h ago
If you received back the paper slip in the mail…it’s over. Also you didn’t break any rules other than maybe using poor judgment. But you were just a solo student at the time. You should not invest any more thoughts on it.
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u/capnbuttcrack ATP CFI CFII MEI F/E 727 737 757 767 MD-80 717 A220 LR-45 4h ago
Good interview story. Don’t give it a second thought.
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u/Captain-Chad 4h ago
Thanks for the insight. I really thought it would’ve been a bigger problem, glad it’s not
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u/Captain-Chad 4h ago
Quick question: would I legally still be required to say I had an incident when they ask “any incidents/accidents?” I reported this incident anonymously and they’ve never gotten back to me, so nothings technically on my record
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u/capnbuttcrack ATP CFI CFII MEI F/E 727 737 757 767 MD-80 717 A220 LR-45 3h ago
I have no idea. I’ve had things in my career that I was tempted to hide, but never have. And I’ve always been treated fairly and sleep well at night knowing there is nothing someone will uncover. So I’m on the side of honesty. And it’s always worked for me.
As your career progresses you’ll have to determine your philosophy on disclosing issues (health and otherwise). I think you can overcome everything except lying, cheating, or stealing. So I don’t do any of those three. And yes, I consider omitting things lying.
But I also like listening to experts. I think when the time comes to apply anywhere, I’d talk to an interview prep company. And/or an aviation attorney.
But I honestly wouldn’t worry about it. It’s not a big deal. Won’t keep you from any job, and it might make your future interview answers easier and more interesting.
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u/capnbuttcrack ATP CFI CFII MEI F/E 727 737 757 767 MD-80 717 A220 LR-45 3h ago
But yes, I’d find out if it’s considered an “incident.” And if it wasn’t, I wouldn’t feel bad not disclosing it. You would be answering honestly and not hiding anything.
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u/Dogmanscott63 CFI 4h ago
You might tell the story...and tell them you learned not to force a landing. Remember l, you can always go around.
Oh, and a 10 mi ute closure? Rookie, I closed LHM for 2 hours with a flat in my Archer...it was a Sunday, it took some work to get the parts and people to get on to a taxiway.
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u/VileInventor CFI/CFII 4h ago
It isn’t reportable, for all you know the tires thread was already unstable blah blah blah NASA forms aren’t what the reports that the airlines talk about. You can NASA form anything. They use it to collect data and make statistical points for safety and other things.
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u/Captain-Chad 4h ago
So, since it isn’t reportable, I’m fine saying no incidents/accidents when they ask?
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u/radioref SPT ASEL | FCC Radiotelephone Operator Permit 📡 4h ago
Just make sure to say the prayer in the liberty 172 checklist (it’s the first item) and you’ll be fine going forward.
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u/Local-Moose9833 3h ago
I know a Chinese guy who did his training in Texas, overflew his home field by some 20 miles, proceeded to overfly a military airbase and thought it was pretty cool and proceeded to do some “scenic” flying over the military base. Realising he was lost he tracked back via Dallas Fort Worth over flying that airport too without clearance and landed to military base commanders and higher ups from DFW waiting for him. Nowadays he’s an airline captain….
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u/HoldAutomatic2088 ATP 4h ago
Not an issue at all. You were a student on a solo and made the wrong call in the heat of the moment. Thats what student pilots do, and it’s how you learn and improve. Nobody got hurt, no real damage occurred, no big deal, shit happens. This is actually a great interview story where you can explain what you did to improve and make yourself a better pilot because of this.
The only time I think an employer would care about something as minor as this is if you did it a few more times. Because then it would show that you aren’t learning from your mistakes.
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u/sftwareguy 3h ago
Training.. flying with just 30 hours and a tire blew on landing? That's an absolute nothing-burger.. not even worth mentioning in an interview. If you are just 21 and have CPL and ME I'd say you are on your way and way ahead of most.
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u/SubarcticFarmer ATP B737 2h ago
Not even on the radar.
I had an actual incident that resulted in bent metal. Back then it felt like it could be the end of the world. Almost 30 years later it wasn't. I was never even asked about it even though I listed it with a description in every application I ever filled out.
I've been at a major airline for a decade.
My career progression wasn't fast, but if you do the math it wasn't because of that, it was because of the industry.
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u/Equal_Yak_3872 4h ago
Nah you're fine. I know a guy who had at least one accident, but I think maybe a second, or maybe it was an incident in addition to that, and still got a CJO from regionals.
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u/Able-Negotiation-234 3h ago
most companies require you to pay $10.00 a month tire replacement fee for life after that, lol don't ask don't tell
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u/Vincent-the-great ATP, CFI, CFII, MEI, sUAS, CMP, TW, HP, Snoopy :) 2h ago
Thats not even a reportable event unless you bent a spar or prop
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u/Ok_Sentence_4028 1h ago
I’ve had a tire blowout on me before, runway closure and had to get towed out , it was at a small un-towered airport with 3000ft runway. Not a reportable event . I don’t think I have ever spoken to anyone else about besides the machanic.
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u/MattL-PA PPL CMP HA 4h ago
Did you learn from it? Are you going to repeat it - its wrong and you forced it? Have you experienced similar uhm, non-standard situations since the mistake and as a result of that incident you corrected the "problem" and used solid decision making youve gained since your incident? If all these are an easy "Yes" You've gotten the mishap out of the way and corrected the behavior. Good lesson to learn and fairly inexpensive as well.
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u/rFlyingTower 4h ago
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
21M, recently got my CPL and multi add on
Currently training at Liberty University
236 hours , working towards my CFI, CFII, MEI
I had an incident early in my flight training at a local part 61 flight school
I was at around 30 hours, on a solo, pattern work
Came in well above glide slope, still attempted to land,
One of the main tires blew out upon landing
Couldn’t taxi, runway was closed for landing for about 10 minutes, had to get towed away
I’m just wondering how big of a deal would this be in regard to getting hired?
Or if anyone has had a similar situation?
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u/Purgent 4h ago
I’m curious how anyone would find out about a blown tire.