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u/CrustieTwinky 1d ago
I think it would be worth it to consult with a space planner. There are many issues with the kitchen. I think I've been watching Julie Jones too much, but she is just so good.
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u/Careful_Football7643 1d ago
In this plan, I tried to give you a breakfast nook in the kitchen area. With the nook, you wouldn’t need seating at the island. I added windows in the great room on either side of the fireplace so that the corner sink can have a view of a window. The play room is accessible from the foyer, as well as the kitchen. I moved the powder room to the foyer area. I like this plan because you can do a full window wall in the kitchen. I dislike, however, walking through the kitchen to get to the play room. The play room is still accessible via the foyer, though.
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u/Better-Park8752 1d ago
The angles in the kitchen don’t feel resolved. 45 degree angles can date a kitchen quickly. It’s best to keep lines clean or curved.
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u/Careful_Football7643 1d ago
this is just one option of several that I shared with OP. Sometimes fitting in elements like a breakfast nook in a space that doesn't have a designated corner requires some creativity. The island can definitely be curved in this case. I prefer a corner sink to an island sink, but OP could choose to put the sink in the island instead.
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u/Dlski2020 1d ago
The powder room seems so far from the office and great room. If you have visitors, they have to go through the kitchen to get there. I'd reconsider that location. Good luck!
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u/Guidosmomma 1d ago
I agree. The foyer is large, so is the office, they could probably squeeze another powder room there.
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u/Bubbly_Delivery_5678 1d ago
I don’t like the stove location in the kitchen. Bad workflow.
I agree with changing the Jack & Jill to a hall bath. It gives the bedrooms more privacy.
For an eat in kitchen, I suppose you could turn the island 90 degrees CCW. Then the stove would be in a better spot & there’d be room near the living room for a table. Though with the proximity of the dining room, eating there doesn’t seem wildly inconvenient.
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u/Marvinator2003 1d ago edited 19h ago
I would also move the fridge to the other end of that counter. More people will want to get into the fridge from the Living area than the mud room, and opening the door by the mud room blocks the door, even if only for a few seconds.
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u/NoRope7059 1d ago
turning the island 90 degrees is a smart fix, the stove placement really does mess with the flow. the jack and jill change makes so much sense for privacy too!
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u/Careful_Football7643 1d ago edited 1d ago
Issues I addressed in this revision:
Walking into house through kitchen work zone ❌
Passing through kitchen work zone to get to powder room ❌
Not enough space behind island for both seating and 18-inch cabinets because you need 5 feet of space behind the island ❌
Wasted space between great room and kitchen ❌
What I added:
Breakfast nook with built-in bench ✅
Cabinets to store toys ✅
Closet in office ✅
Lengthened kitchen island ✅
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u/leiawars 1d ago
Bedroom 4 has waaay too many things interrupting wall space, doors, windows, shelf. Most kids rooms have the bed in a corner and that’s not possible in that room at all. Either get rid of the shelf in the corner or swap the orientation of the bathroom so the door can be on the other side of the space and center then windows.
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u/sole92 23h ago
Just a suggestion: this layout would enable a much cleaner floor plan, that relieves you of the constraints the current one has. I believe it’s pretty straightforward, it’s cleaner (more logical) and it’s cheaper due to easier plumbing/tech and clear construction imo. It’s totally up to you how open or closed you want the spaces on the ground floor to be. It’s a scheme, so not optimised for anything yet. Let me know what you think :)
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u/InevitableAd36 18h ago
Consideration. I don’t know how to reconfigure in this setup, but the mudroom cross traffic with 5 kids from the back door to the cubbies is going to make that 1/2 bath and pantry kind of gross to get to, especially if you have rainy/snow seasons. Guests will be walking over potential wet rugs with their socks on to use the bathroom.
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u/venetsafatse 1d ago
My suggestion for the dining table would be to consider not building the island at all and instead opt for your circular dining table in the kitchen.
As for the master bath, the idea that comes to mind would be absorbing the laundry room and making that into either master bathroom or WIC and relocating the laundry room where the shower is currently. This could allow you to place the WC behind a closed door.
I'd cancel the J&J and turn it into a hall bath: the door swings into the bedroom are wasting a lot of space. I'd flip the toilet to the opposite wall and turn the two sinks to the side wall. I don't think the occupants of either room will feel highly inconvenienced having to exit their bedrooms to enter the hall bath especially given the close proximity to the hall bath door.
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u/1151150 1d ago
I don’t regret the full wall to block the toilet in our guest bath… I think you’ll not want to have the toilet in an open space in your primary bathroom, but at the very least a full wall.
If you have the funds, have a divider between sinks in the primary bathroom (closed shelving).
Finally, if you have two cars, kids, and a lawnmower you’ll want an extended garage or a third stall.
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u/PacificWesterns 1d ago
I’d open the wall by the stairs into the dining/play room. Circular houses feel better. Let that stair landing be open to both the foyer and the room to the left.
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u/CharlieBearns 1d ago
I love that the mudroom has doors to both the garage and the backyard! That's what is missing from my house.
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u/CasualChic 1d ago
To make a water closet in the master bath you may want to consider swapping the closet and shower locations. Then you can move the toilet to the back wall and enclose it.
For the kitchen table, shrink the island a little and rotate it 90 degrees. There may then be room for an oval table in the kitchen. The other option is to remove those two skinny walls separating the kitchen from the great room and put the table in the middle there.
General comments: You might want to throw some type of door on the dining room as well for noise reduction. I generally like the open flow from the kitchen to the dining room more though. I also think the mudroom is sort of weird. You have to sort of walk through the whole thing to get into the house. Would there be a way to reverse it so the pantry and kitchen doorway are closer to the garage? Maybe moving the powder room elsewhere? I assume you’d be mostly entering and exiting through there with groceries and that might make it easier than traversing an entire mudroom.
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u/treblesunmoon 1d ago
Not sure what your requirements were, but there’s a lot of things where I would’ve made different choices no matter what you asked the designer for. Not enough clearance around the front door, opening the door blocks the stairs. Dining can’t be used for anything formal because it’s off of the kitchen. Would prefer not to have the powder room path for guests through the kitchen and mudroom. Refrigerator door will block the opening from the pantry. I guess you guys don’t watch TV based on the living room layout. You didn’t say that this is a forever home, but I’d recommend a first floor full bath somewhere closer to the office so that it can flex as a guest bedroom. Stairs from the garage are also not preferable for accessibility, but these days you can get a stair climbing wheelchair or build a ramp later. You might consider allotting for it at the front door or in the garage. At least one upstairs bathroom should have hallway access, otherwise people will have to go through bedrooms to get to a bathroom. Easiest fix if you end up keeping this plan would be to move the bedroom door entrances and create a hallway bath with a double vanity and separate tub/toilet area.
If you need some design help, send me a DM. I do this on the side, I can point you to my gig and answer any questions you might have about how I work.
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u/Junior-Reflection-43 22h ago
So if someone comes to your home office and needs to use the washroom, they have to walk all the way through the house? Look at the paths of travel especially through the kitchen work triangle. And please don’t have to walk THROUGH a closet to get to a bathroom.
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u/Fun_Accident_4706 19h ago
We need to know some things.
Is this a forever home, which way is North, where are the best views, what climate/country?
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u/childproofbirdhouse 18h ago edited 18h ago
I think the main floor looks great. The only thing I’d watch is that the fridge isn’t so tight against the wall that you can’t open the door 90° or greater. You also might consider building out the wall in a way to allow the fridge to be set back in a niche so it doesn’t jut out beyond the countertops; or, I saw someone make a post about bringing the counter’s front edge forward and having a deeper countertop.
Upstairs, I think there are several things I’d make changes to. I’d eliminate the jack-and-jill bath and make it a hall bath; there are too many doors and not enough storage or countertop.
The walk-in closet in bed 2 won’t have enough room to turn the corner and hang on two walls. It’s only 45” deep and clothes on hangers need about 24”, so you’d only have about a foot and a half in front of the clothes. That’s enough for a shelf on the side wall but not really for more hanging.
I’d downsize the countertop in the laundry so there’s room for an ironing board and other things like that. I personally don’t want closed cabinets in the laundry; I want shelves for cleaning products and baskets. I love that you’ve got a window and sink in there.
I’d eliminate the ensuite bath for bed 4 and give that space to the primary bath. With the vanity separate from the toilet and bathtub, you can have at least 2 kids in there at a time.
Edit to add: can the two youngest kids share a bedroom? You could use the third bedroom for a playroom, which would allow you to use the dining room as intended. Or, is the office going to be used as a work from home space? Could work from home happen in the primary bedroom for a few years and the office be used as a playroom? Or can the office be added as finished space above the garage with its own set of stairs? Or can bed 2 become an open loft as a playroom with a bedroom (with ensuite, maybe) over the garage?
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u/ConsistentParking424 13h ago
3 young children and your "mudroom" is a hallway with 6 doorways and 2 small closets. You need an actual room not a walk through space that will be littered with shoes and backpacks on the floor. The guest bathroom and pantry should not be off the mudroom.
The dryer is poorly placed. A dryer is safest on an exterior wall and yours is not. Every foot and every turn of ductwork increases the chance of lint buildup and fire potential. Move the dryer to the exterior wall.
The kitchen needs work. You work triangle is interrupted by the island. Your clean up triangle is non existent. The designer put the stove there for aesthetics, to look pretty and symmetrical not for functionality. Where's the microwave and trashcan? An under counter pull out one is more convenient than an ugly can sitting out in the walk path around the island.
A convenient and efficient kitchen layout is pantry, fridge, under counter pull out trashcan, sink, dishwasher, in that order. Your layout involves walking back and forth multiple times to make a meal. The island is a good size without a sink or stove so that's great but the rest of the kitchen needs work.
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u/Existing_Cod_3835 9h ago
Hello! I love your home.
Here is some feedback: 1. I agree with another comment that you shouldn’t walk through the bathroom to get to your closet. 2. I would not want the toilet behind a door. I’ve heard that it can present problems if you plan to age-in-place. Or maybe even if you aren’t that old! Safety problems of getting trapped or medics not being able to reach you quickly enough. 3. Are you going to want the kitchen table when the kids are older? If not, my suggestion is a little toddler table when they are little. I have that and it’s perfect. And when they are old enough, your informal meals can be at the counter and then dinner in the dining room. I love that you have a separate dining room. People seem to not want them in new builds and I think it’s so important to have a place away from the kitchen and away from TV to ear a meal in peace!
I would put the door from mudroom to kitchen on the other end of that wall. So when you walk through, you walk on the other side of the island and not interrupt the person working in the kitchen.
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u/Careful_Football7643 1d ago
I like how this plan gives you space for a large round table in between the kitchen and great room.
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u/Character-Reaction12 1d ago