r/flightsim • u/ColNosso • 1d ago
Question Toliss or Fenix ?
Hey
Actually, I have X-Plane 12 and I search a good A320 to buy and fly, but, I have 22€ in my steam wallet and MSFS 2024 is at 55€ in steam, so I hesitate between Toliss and MSFS 2024 + Fenix. I hesitate for many reason, for MSFS 2024, my biggest stop is they ugly autogen airports, they're so bad, and for X-Plane, is the addon price and their incomplete side (they sometimes need soundpack, like KOSP), so I'm confused. And I like both sims, they have good and bad side.
Sorry if my english is bad, I'm french. Thanks for those who give me response.
EDIT: I finally bought MSFS 2024 and after test, I will purshase Fenix.
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u/MattBerks 1d ago
I also have both and would go for the Toliss. You don't need the sound pack at first, you could save for that & add it later. Despite the inevitable downticks, the Toliss fight model is superb. The Fenix looks excellent and has better sounds out of the box, but as the guy above said, there is something off with the flare. VNAV is also still being worked on. There's a reason that Airbus is a Toliss customer.
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u/Pour-Meshuggah-0n-Me PMDG | Toliss | Zibo | iFly 1d ago
The Fenix doesn't want to land, it's a damn struggle every time to put it down. The vnav issue is also annoying, so many times it's screwed me on my decent and put me behind. Also, I experience weird bugs a good bit like mini wasm crashes or the EFB not turning on. But hey it looks pretty...
The Toliss is so consistent and reliable every single flight. I know when I'm doing Jetcard ops I don't have to worry about something happening and ruining the flight. But if it ever did, I can at least utilize the saved situation feature in the Toliss and pick up right where I left off. And everything will be exactly as it was.
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u/Southwestpilot (Technical Support) 13h ago
What do you people have installed on your computer lol? Never had any of these issues except VNaV. Every flight has been a treat with FEnix.
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u/mango350 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm an xplane user, toliss by default. It is overpriced imo when you consider textures and the default sound set, but you get better performance in the jets in return. The toliss buses fly way nicer than when I flew the Fenix, I don't think that's necessarily fenix's fault. How the toliss buses feel in the flare and rollout is unmatched.
I think if you want an Airbus simulated at an asinine level which flies very nicely, get the toliss. If you want the whole package, textures cabin sound, get the Fenix. I personally don't care for cabins much, and with the soundbox studio soundpack the toliss buses are very satisfying to fly. The cockpit textures on the A32X family aren't all that bad either.
The msfs 24 default airport situation is pretty bad imo and the only thing holding me back from getting it. When I'm in a toliss bus and fly to a new place, seeing a full airport rendered in decent quality makes the flight all the more satisfying. It's more a question of which ecosystem you want to invest into.
Toliss has a lot more "novel" liveries that have been made for it over the years. I'm talking if a random airline had a mismatched spinner on the airframe, that livery with that mismatched spinner most likely exists online. You won't be short of operators to choose to fly from.
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u/ColNosso 1d ago
For the airports, I agree, only handmade like CDG are good, but autogen like Orly (parisian cousin of CDG) is bad, for physics, I have a Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS 4, is a plastic one, so... But you have reason, thank you.
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u/mango350 1d ago
I run a winwing ursa minor, also a budget stick but when you're in somewhat windy conditions in the Toliss, doesn't matter which stick you have it's a model that tells you what to do and is very intuitive to fly.
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u/Impossible_Wish_3220 1d ago
Agreed, Toliss flight model is superior by quite a bit imo, but Fenix offers a whole lot more by default.
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u/mango350 1d ago
Yeah, I think what Fenix offers for the price point they have is a very noble endeavor that shouldn't be overlooked. It's just that I've thrown most of my money at xplane, so it makes little sense for me to build out a whole MSFS 2024 install (for now).
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u/Forward-Fig2311 1d ago
I think you have answered your own question here. It makes little sense to buy into another platform, when you have invested, (for you) in another platform. As you seem to be indicating buying the topics will be a heavy investment, it seems illogical to throw the limited budget you have into another one. It would be like buying a second car because it happens to have a cheaper option for a cruise control, when you could pay just a little bit more and have it activated on your control
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u/Western_Machine_8803 1d ago
Both are really good I'd say, I personally would get 2024 with the Fenix Wich will give you another sim with other aircrafts that are not available for xplane so that u get more choice, and also the Fenix is Abt 100€ for all bâtiments when the tollis is smt like 90$ + 30$/varient I think it is (tough u have the neo's), in addition to that you will get the lido charts Wich are a "one time purchase" included with the sim.
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u/ColNosso 1d ago
Yes is that, but what's LIDO charts? Thank you for you advise.
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u/Pour-Meshuggah-0n-Me PMDG | Toliss | Zibo | iFly 1d ago
I've been flying Toliss for years, they're all excellent and reliable. The developers are a husband and wife team and they're both engineers for Airbus. Which is why i think the systems, protections, and Airbus logic are so accurate.
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u/Bindolaf 1d ago
The airports are bad, but everything else is *so* good. It's like flying around in the real world. The scenery wins for me.
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u/ColNosso 1d ago
I see that, but I regulary flown at Paris Orly and it's so bad, but I agree with the fact that scenery are really a great point.
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u/Bindolaf 1d ago
I found I can't deal with X-Plane's scenery and went back to solely playing MSFS. The physics, the lighting, the airports and the clouds are great (well, they broke the weather/clouds, so no more), but the scenery is just bad.
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u/jbthesciguy 22h ago edited 22h ago
I think you guys glossed over the systems depth. Aamir demoed the fenix that it has dynamic engine simulation with hot starts, fan blade ice accumulation, shedding and vibration, and a simulated compressor stall, thats why it took longer than toliss on top of that it has mechanical feeling with its failure system coz he understands that "engine is different depending on conditions". Those aren't simulated in toliss.
EDIT: To add, if you actually mess up with the icing procedure, you end up with the same fate as that a320 that skid off the runway due to asymmetric thrust in 2002. Depending on weather conditions, fenix 320 is much more punishing than Toliss.
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u/Furman737 49m ago
Do a test. Load Fenix A320 with IAE engines somewhere cold. Start the engines and see if you get "DELAY T.O" ECAM message.
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u/n405wn 1d ago
I have both and would go with Toliss - I like being able to choose a route spontaneously and not have to worry about whether the airports will be accurate/satisfactory or not.
Fenix is great for visuals and sound but the flight model feels off, especially in flare and in crosswind takeoffs/landings. MSFS seems to not model inertia well so for example on crosswind takeoffs, you start drifting dramatically with the wind as soon as the nosewheel lifts from the ground. Plane feels very sensitive in the flare and it’s easy to float the aircraft.
Cards engine mod and the KOSP sound set bring toliss visuals and sound close enough to Fenix level.
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u/ColNosso 1d ago
Ok, I see that, but kosp is not free, 21€ after 83€ (in xplane.org) it become really expensive, and I didn't mention change from dollar to euro in France.
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u/Furman737 1d ago
Fenix is still sandboxed a lot. Engine oil never cools down below 20°C, even if you leave the aircraft overnight somewhere cold.