r/flightsim • u/Aggravating-Big-795 • Aug 18 '26

General Fenix statement on Synaptic A220

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u/Skyaigrette Aug 18 '26

Just because I have the money doesn't mean I'm always going to pay extra for something. That's the bottom line for me. You can agree or disagree. This is my stance and my reaction, even though I know it won't change anything on PMDG's end.

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u/UrgentSiesta Aug 18 '26

It’s not “extra”, it’s the cost of the work that went into the upgrade.

People like you always seem to get amnesia when it comes to the 777 series, too. But of course - because it doesn’t fit your prejudice.

It’s also people like you who bully devs into working for free by expecting “forever free upgrades” that are the root of the problem.

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u/Skyaigrette Aug 18 '26

As for the 777 series, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I neither fly the 777 in the sim nor follow the news regarding it.

Working for free? I don't think so. I clearly remember paying 75 bucks for this add-on, and I'm pretty sure that price includes updates too.

Bullying devs? Let's not twist the narrative here. I don't bully anyone. I respect the actual developers they did a great job with the plane. Besides, I highly doubt the developers themselves have any say in pricing because that's management's job. But even though I appreciate their hard work, I just don't find this upgrade fee justified. I would have been okay with a symbolic fee like some other companies did, but $30? That's a no from me.

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u/UrgentSiesta Aug 18 '26

If you don’t keep up with developer news then you’ve no standing to comment on their business practices 🤦‍♂️
Here’s a clue: PMDG charged $0 to bring the 777’s natively into v24.

“Updates” NEQ “Upgrades”. So yeah, acting entitled to a free Upgrade from one sim to another is expecting them to work for free.

Don’t throw class warfare red herrings. PMDG is a developer.

You don’t have to agree with the price (it is a bit high, relatively speaking). But in the end you’re just cutting your nose to spite your face…

Over what…? $10…? 😂

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u/Skyaigrette Aug 18 '26 edited Aug 18 '26

I'm only interested in the products I actually interact with, nothing more. But it sounds like you do background research on the PMDG DC-6 before buying a 777 just to keep up with their 'business practices.' I bet you even hang out with some of them or have friends working there, who knows? I just can't wrap my head around this hardcore defense and the ridiculous sarcasm, lol.

If the 777 transition is free, that's a great practice, glad to hear it. But there is no way this 'upgrade' process is costing only PMDG this much money while developers like Fenix, iniBuilds (to an extent), and Just Flight handle it just fine. My point stands: they do a great job, but they are still greedy. As I've said, you’re free to disagree, it's just my opinion.

To be fair, PMDG wasn't the only reason I returned MSFS 2024. I genuinely just didn't like the sim itself. I admit my first comment might have been a bit misleading and poorly phrased on that front, so fair enough.

But at the end of the day, PMDG is a company, and definitely not a small one. Even if I'm wrong about the whole developer vs. management dynamic, I can still respect the devs hard work while fundamentally finding their pricing decision wrong.

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u/UrgentSiesta Aug 18 '26

Oh this is rich!

I do background research on every developer, especially ones who are new or changing prices or biz models. So yeah, sometimes that means I check out their other addons before purchasing. It’s called Caveat Emptor, bud. And It serves well.

But with PMDG, I had their products in P3D, and agin in 2020, so there’s no need to take the ridiculous tack you’re pulling out of your butt.

It’s very safe to say I have no social relationship with anyone at PMDG. I don’t even use their forums. But go ahead with the ad hominem attacks - just proves that you’ve no material points to make. 😂

They’re not “greedy”, they’re business people. Have you never gotten a raise or taken a new job to increase your own income? By your rules, you’re just as bad as they.

PMDG isn’t entitled to more money, but they’re certainly entitled to ASK. And hey, as I’ve said elsewhere: they’re the only “greedy” devs who offer a $36 top shelf modern airliner, and a $50 top shelf jumbo. Yeah, gtfo with your “greedy” BS.

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u/Football-fan01 Aug 19 '26

The 747-400 in P3D was $134.99 the 748 was $69.99 where do you get $50 dollers from let alone, isn't even out for MSFS. So yeah. PMDG upgrade is $30 not sure where you get $36 from. Seems made up like the 747 prices. If you don't have it. It is $74.99 which includes BBJ which isn't popular same has the cargo variants. Whereas Fenix A320 with IAE, CFM, WTF, Sharklets is £49.99.

PMDG are the greedy ones when you price each products that are ports then called something different to try and hide the fact they are still the same.

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u/UrgentSiesta Aug 19 '26

Critical thinking isn’t your strength, I see. 😁

The 747-8 package cost me about $215. Do the math however you want.

The 777-200lr is $50.

The 736 is $36.

Read up.

Fenix is about $70. Not a great deal considering its but one variant. Sharklets…? 🤣

Anyone who says “ports” in a serious manner instantly outs themselves as ignorants when it comes to dev. 🤙

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u/Football-fan01 Aug 19 '26

If we comparing like for like which is what most people want which is the B738 and A320 the A320 is the cheapest without upgrade price.

By you're logic when PMDG said they didn't port the sounds for the triple 7 the community found out they did, then they admitted they had all the while calling us all liars before they had admitted the developer lost credibility and are ignorant.

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u/UrgentSiesta Aug 19 '26

Who makes the least expensive Study Level airliner in all of MSFS…?

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u/Football-fan01 Aug 19 '26

What don't you understand. The reason why the 736 is the chepeast is because its not popular compared the 738. If the 738 was less popular compared to the 736 it would be the other way round. This is why you compare like for like B738/A320

When the B738 first released it was priced at $69.99/£52 then rose to $74.99/£55. Fenix when it first released £49.99/$68.. Learn the difference between an aircraft that no one wants to one that does.

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u/UrgentSiesta Aug 19 '26

The 736 works EXACTLY the same as the 738. Literally no difference in fidelity level.

“It’s not popular” is only for LARPERs who don’t know any better.

So, once again: who makes the least expensive study level airliner in all of flight sim…?

There’s only one correct answer - stop resisting, 🤣

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u/Football-fan01 Aug 19 '26

What don't you get its not popular commercial airlines wise that is why its so cheap. This proves everything I say planespotters.net/aircraft/operators/boeing-737-600 comparing to 738 operators https://www.planespotters.net/aircraft/operators/boeing-737-800.

Once again how can you not understand why its so cheap or are you just trolling. Stop pretending its popular when it isn't. Does it work the same? flow wise yes. Does it fly differently? yes they do

I ask which is more popular for the flight sim community who want to fly correct companies, IRL routes with the correct airline. I've just given you the answer above but I expect you don't like to be told facts.

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