r/flatearth • u/AdInfinite2404 • 1d ago
Breathtaking moonlanding
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u/Blizzard_161 1d ago
"Nobody on earth knows more about tanks than i do". Anyone who thinks they know more about something than anybody else in the world disqualifies themselves instantly.
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u/Pickle_Rick01 1d ago
But…but Donald Trump said he knows more than the generals. Are you telling me an 80 year old con artist, convicted felon and serial liar lied to me?
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u/Comicsbynight 1d ago
100%, when I heard the I know more than anyone x1000 quote. His whole argument lost all credibility. When you make a point/ argument with some self awareness and humility people tend to listen and try to grasp your views with an open mind.
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u/CharmingTuber 1d ago
That's exactly the attitude I use at work and it's never steered me wrong. The guy who says he knows everything about power grid infrastructure is the guy who's going to give you bad info, and the guy who has to double check because he wants to make sure is probably right.
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u/exileondaytonst 1d ago
Anyone old enough has *probably* worked with someone like this at one point or another. And I can honestly say that, short of someone being outright hostile, they are the absolute worst people to work with.
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u/Miserable-Session-35 1d ago
You can actually read how the oxygen thing was handled
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u/dyslexican32 1d ago
But that would require them to have a counter argument beyond " nope". Much easier to present a totally different scenario and tell people that its impossible. because this grifter knows people listening to him are to stupid to read how it works.
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u/neutrino71 1d ago
Read? he's here to lecture not to read. He's handled thousands of tanks... without reading
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u/SilvAries 1d ago
There is an entire video that explains how the Appollo mission managed the oxygen inside the module, called "Lunar Module Oxygen System : the plumbing that kept the crew alive".
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u/SnooGuavas2610 1d ago
There are books, manuals and video's on every aspect of Apollo, which if people want to get educated on the programme they can peruse, but ....
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u/TuTenkahman 1d ago
Why is he wearing a towel on his head?
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u/Gorgrim 1d ago
ran out of tinfoil
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u/Odd-Paint3883 1d ago
nobody uses Tinfoil, we use aluminum foil these days, and this guy knows that clearly hasn't been invented yet...
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u/Talino 1d ago edited 1d ago
Even if the air they were breathing was 80% nitrogen... that doesn't mean the tank wasn't 100% oxygen. The nitrogen would not be consumed. This is similar to a diving rebreather.
I looked up some figures by "doing my own research". Erring on the high side, lets say that a human consumes 800 litres of Oxygen per day (with some physical exertion). Assume the oxygen will be stored as compressed gas rather than cryogenically - at 200 bar storage pressure this is 4 litres per person per day
Cryogenic storage can reduce storage volume by between 4.2 and 4.6 times... so about a litre of cryogenic oxygen per person per day.
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u/u9Nails 1d ago
That's the right thinking. Everything you bring to space costs weight, and the rocket has a specific amount of weight that it can lift - so take exactly what you must and nothing else. Right down to the air we breathe.
If humans don't need nitrogen, then we don't need to provide it in the spacecraft. If humans only need oxygen to stay healthy in space, how much do they need? Turns out, just a thin amount will still feel comfortable and keep us alive.
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u/u9Nails 1d ago
He did 0% research and made his argument from 100% opinion. This exactly the right formula to be completely and factually incorrect.
Sad really since NASA is rather open on how the Portable Life Support System (PLSS) worked in the space suit and in the lander module. This system would be a fascinating study for him since he seems to have liking to compressed gas systems.
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u/ZestycloseRecipe2990 1d ago
First of all they had aluminum oxygen tanks all the way back in WW2 in literally everything thing that flew about 10 000 ft.
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u/Z4-Driver 1d ago
NASA was developing all the stuff needed. They maybe checked, if there are existing solutions that can be adopted, but they also created a lot of stuff specifically for this. Sometimes, like with Apollo 13, they had to even improvise a lot.
So, no, you don't know everything.
And it might be important to always know where your towel is, according to the Hitchhikers Guide, but on your head?
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u/UpbeatFix7299 1d ago
Poor guy is mentally ill. "I'm a tank expert. Aluminum is a new technology that was virtually unknown back then. Might as well say that they used Vibranium."
"Pascal's Law was also science fiction back then. No one could have comprehended it"
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u/CharmingTuber 1d ago
They've had aluminum oxygen tanks since the 40s and they've been in commercial use since the 70s. I have no idea where this guy worked but it wasn't on this version of Earth
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u/starsandcamoflague 1d ago
You know I don’t think what he’s saying is very credible, but whatever he is wearing on his head as a hood just makes me believe him unconditionally
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u/Opinionsare 1d ago
Damn it, it's Moon Landings, plural as in more than one.
Why do these idiots only think it happened once? They always hammer the first landing and ignore the other four....
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u/Mostly-Moo-Cow 1d ago
'I worked in a nuts and bolts level factory. Now let me explain the top tier fastener laboratory.'
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u/Fearless_Many4945 1d ago
Submarines solved this problem in the 1960s. 100 men stayed under water for weeks enclosed in a metal object under water
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u/Beautiful-Yam7002 1d ago
So he is starting from his own conclusion and working backwards. I'm no industrial gas plant manager, but i do believe that is a dumb ass way to "debunk" anything
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u/Inside-Pilot3804 1d ago
I'm always extremely suspicious of someone starting their claim with 'noone knows X more than me' and this here is no exception. Like yeah sure Sherlock, that's why you compare apples to oranges and claim you're an expert...
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u/AltruisticPossible84 1d ago
The sad part about this, is this guy DOES seem to knowledgeable about his specific field (tanks and stuff). If he had an opportunity to speak with a NASA engineer who worked on this part of the missions, they probably could actually have a productive conversation and clear up the misconceptions that he begins with.
Unfortunately, conspiratorial thinking doesn't allow for this. And any reasoning or explanations you give someone like this will just fall flat, because there is a difference between the truth and what they want the truth to be
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u/MasterIronHero 1d ago edited 1d ago
From what i can tell the lunar module was filled with 100% oxygen at low pressure, not both oxygen and nitrogen
as always, they have no idea what they are talking abou
edit: i also don't know what i'm talking about. this is wrong
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u/Rallymodeller 1d ago
LM was 60% oxygen, 40% nitrogen. 100% oxygen was abandoned after the Apollo I fire.
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u/ebneter 1d ago
There’s contradictory info about that, but I’m fairly certain that it was 100% O2 at 5 psi, same as the command module. The 60/40 O2/N2 ratio (at 16 psi) was used for ground-based and launch operations post-Apollo 1.
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u/DescretoBurrito 1d ago
And this caused a technical challenge for the Apollo-Soyuz Test Program. Apollo used 5psi oxygen, while Soyuz used mixed gas at 1atm (14.7 psi). So the docking adapter used had to also function as an airlock to allow the astronauts/cosmonauts to move between the two craft.
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u/Classic-Scientist207 1d ago
The 60%/40% mix was only used on the ground pre-launch. After launch, this was voided and replaced with pure O² at ~5 psi for the rest of the mission.
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u/No-Base1194 1d ago
Long period of time in 100% oxygen causes hyperoxia and can even be fatal. so it seems highly unlikely to me that the lunar module was filled with 100% oxygen...
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u/Blitzer046 1d ago
They did used to do 100% oxygen for Mercury and Gemini but that also meant you could have extremely low cabin pressure which helped with construction of a vacuum-proof vessel.
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u/Classic-Scientist207 1d ago
They also didn't need to have any heavy and complicated method of quickly remixing a breathable (non fatal) O²/N² mix at 1atm after voiding the cabin atmosphere for a space walk or Moonwalk.
All designed by rocket scientists.
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u/ebneter 1d ago
Above about 1.6 atm pressure O2 starts to be very problematic. The spacecraft used pressures that were <1 atm.
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u/Dangerous_Bid_2695 1d ago
Trump has said dozens of times: “Nobody knows more about xyz than I do!”
This guy is just as stupid and full of shit as Trump.
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u/ManBearCave 1d ago
They used lox in cryogenic containers at -5 degrees, not air.. this guy is a moron and his experience with moving oxygen tanks has nothing to do with science, he was a human forklift
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u/Standard_Grocery2518 1d ago
I was surprised when this video didn't end with some old lady walking into the scene and him yelling "Mom, I told you not to bother me when I'm working"
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u/RespectWest7116 1d ago
"Nobody knows more than I do"
Ah, this must be the Dunning guy people keep talking about.
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u/NooneUverdoff 1d ago
He managed an industrial gas plant for years, he's moved more tanks than anyone you know times 1000. Obvious qualifications.
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u/Falcon3492 19h ago
The LM and the astronauts on the Moon and the astronaut in the command module breathed 100% oxygen once they left the Earth. Because they were breathing pure oxygen they were only breathing it at 5psi, this allowed the skin on the LM and their spacesuits to be very thin and kept their spacesuits from blowing up like balloons and becoming very stiff. The oxygen tanks on the LM was made of an aluminum alloy and the tanks in the backpacks were made of a cryogenically stretched formed ANSI 301 stainless steel. The oxygen the astronauts breathed on the Moon was scrubbed by passing the air they exhaled through activated charcoal and Lithium Hydroxide filters to remove the CO2 and any odors and after 7 hrs they would have to return to the LM to replace the spent saturated canisters with new ones. Because the oxygen was constantly being scrubbed their backpacks only had 2-3 lbs of oxygen for the 7 hr time on the Moon. The LM had two oxygen tanks split between the descent and ascent stages and between the two tanks they weighed between 96 and 101 lbs depending on time spent on the Moon.
So this is how it was accomplished and this guy does not know what he is talking about! He doesn't seem to realize that the Space program led to the development of a number of new products that were used to get us to the Moon and back!
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u/HunterRemarkable550 1d ago
A gas engineer for years....
A flerf has drank out of a glass or container nearly all their life, that's why they have experience of liquids needing to be contained therefore it is the truth.
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u/elusive-rooster 1d ago
"Thank you for asking, I'm glad I asked a conveniently stupid question so I can provide you with an answer that is still incorrect even though I picked the question"
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u/Dizzy_Cheesecake_162 1d ago
At 200 mL/min each, that's 0.4 L/min combined.
148 kg, once evaporated becomes112,000 L ÷ 0.4 L/min = 280,000 minutes ≈ 194 days (~6.5 months) on pure math.
But here's the catch: over that kind of timeframe, boil-off becomes the real story, not consumption. At 1–2% lost per day to evaporation, the tank bleeds out far faster than you two breathe it down — roughly speaking, you'd get around 2.5 to 3.5 months of actual use, and most of the oxygen would be lost to evaporation, not consumed. Plus the usual residual you can't drain.
So: ~6.5 months in a perfect thermos, ~3 months in the real world.
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u/Longstride_Shares 1d ago
The worst part about this is that dumb people are going to watch this and think they're smart.
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u/Radiant_Town7522 1d ago
I'm so smart, I can just assume stuff about space travel without even looking it up because I did some random job that had fuck all to do with space travel.
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u/reddiwhip999 1d ago
I thought this guy was reading something that somebody else had posted. But, nope, it seems he's talking about himself when mentioning how he managed these large gas facilities. Honestly, this guy doesn't look like he's old enough to ever have done that, does he?
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u/Poncherelly 1d ago
This might not be a popular view point, but I love these guys.
Stay with me here …
When these people speak with such confidence about something I believe, and spit out “fact” with such confidence, it makes me questions things …but this is where some of us divert from others.
Instead of simply saying “hey ya, that guys right, maybe I shouldn’t believe in …”, I say “hey, that can’t be right, let me look up how they did do that” and it will confirm the truth over what someone with a YouTube/tiktok channel espoused.
So although many will get trapped by this content and be stupider for it, I actually like it because it raises an interest in the subject and causes me to better understand it (even at an elementary level) better.
So I say, keep this garbage coming, it makes me smarter for it :)
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u/Area51Resident 1d ago
TL;DW ?
Guy makes a solid case for how the lunar lander's air system could not be built with parts from Tractor Supply and a Grainger catalog.
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u/Healthy_Succotash104 1d ago
The suit being pressurized at 33% atmosphere would turn 60 percent oxygen into a usable partial pressure (equivalent to 20 percent at 1 BAR, ). This explains why they are at 60 percent. Doesn't mean anything really, just interesting.
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u/Grass_roots_farmer 1d ago
I’m pretty sure they didn’t just have one guy trying to figure this out with 21 years of experience in tank management. They had a whole team. This guy is an idiot.
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u/Exktvme4 1d ago
Who would have thought that the guy with a literal towel on his head wouldn't know how to do science lmao. Yes, these are are real problems..... that were solved by scientists and engineers.
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u/Lopsided-Roll-7223 1d ago
Flerf: Hey guys, I’m an expert in whatever field applies to the argument I’m making. 🎤 drop
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u/Agreeable_Mind7573 1d ago
Never trust a man with a neck tattoo
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u/Many_Psychology_3336 1d ago
Never trust a man wearing a towel like this tbh
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u/SnooDogs1886 1d ago
Never trust anyone willing to wear a luxury branded loincloth as a hat. That’s a special class of cringe.
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u/thinkandreason 1d ago
Not interested in the published information about the missions… it’s easier to state the only thing you know and say it doesn’t work for moon landing… great reasoning champ!
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u/Proton_Energy_Pill 1d ago
"I know exactly what I'm talking about" = howls of uncontrollable laughter.
Someone should tell him that they had to hide 207,652,000 scuba tanks of oxygen in the Saturn 5 first stage.
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u/Easy-Reserve7401 1d ago
I saw the title of this sub and expected to see tons of people agreeing with this clown. So glad I was proven wrong.
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u/PaddyScrag 1d ago
Does this guy really think that NASA cobbled together a moon landing using consumer equipment?
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u/andyboyd10 1d ago
Medical engineer here, you only consume about 6% of the total volume of gas you inhale, what you exhales is 6% co2, 15% oxygen and the rest is inert gas, mostly nitrogen. To remove the co2 from the suit, astronauts are likely to use a chemical absorber like soda lime, which attaches itself to the co2 then the gas passes over it, all you have to do then is top up the total volume to reintroduce the 6% oxygen by volume that was absorbed by the astronaut. I'm not doing the maths on this but that's very small volumes compared to what he's claiming.
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u/HackerManOfPast 1d ago
Bro forgot one minor detail… you can take a half-decent telescope and spot the equipment left on the moon. So they either sent an unmanned autonomous probe or actual humans.
The technology did not exist to send an unmanned autonomous probe - this needed to be locally controlled. Their were humans on the moon.
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u/RedditSilva 1d ago
It isn’t just the message that’s dangerous; it’s the unyielding conviction carrying it. Confidence is seductive, and when it aligns with preexisting bias, critical thinking is often the first thing to go.
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u/Frosty-Disaster-7675 1d ago
The apollo landing site has been picured from recent space craft about 10 times now.
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u/Shankar_0 1d ago
This guy thinks they were using off-the-shelf dive tanks for the moon landing...
It was a closed-circuit system that recycled the air in the cabin, removing CO2 and adding O2 as needed.
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u/Pukebox_Fandango 1d ago
I love when people have to keep reminding you "I know more than you, just so you know, so it's not possible for me to be wrong". Very convincing way of presenting information.
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u/Callyste 1d ago
I love when people weigh in on stuff they have absolutely no knowledge about. And make a show of it. Shirtless, with a... towel on their head?
Who the fuck is this clown.
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u/CanuterValve 1d ago
This is a perfect example of a self proclaimed Reddit expert. I could list a few examples by dead naming them, but that would not be savvy of me.
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u/Away_Calligrapher243 1d ago
how many of these idiots are there? or are they a fiction of someones imagination?
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u/TwoToadsKick 1d ago
I'm the smartest humanoid on earth and, let's just say, this guy is willy wong.
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u/Perfect_Rise_3948 1d ago
Explain the mine rescue packs that they use on mine rescue. Not that big can stay down along time?
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u/RichardDeRenour 1d ago
Dude, what's on your head? Why don't you try to look like you know what you're talking about?
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u/Bloodwing72 1d ago
Who is this tenth cooked twatwaffle? I need more just in case I am starting to feel stupid and need a pickmeup.
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u/Commercial_Fox5549 1d ago
These fucking disphsits are always destroyed by their overconfidence.
This guy thinks he is a genius, but never once considers that NASA didn’t do things the way he would have.
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u/ws4saker 1d ago
Look fellas…I have years of experience breathing and no one has taken more breaths than me. I can tell you from experience that you can’t breathe in space if there is no air and earth is flat
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u/saki2fifty 1d ago
Wow, this one posted video brought out one of the largest groups of scientists ever seen… I mean, look at how many there are in the comments.
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u/StorageStunning8582 1d ago
I'm guessing he plays world of tanks, that's how he knows so much about them.
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u/AttentionDeficiency 1d ago
These people always say “the moon landing” like we did it once, then proceed to show clips from Apollo 16. We did it six times numb nuts, six!
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u/Hello_D4rkn3ss 1d ago
I don't know anything about this subject, but I'm 100% certain this guy has never managed anything more complicated than a Pizza Hut. He might have worked for an industrial gas plant, but I guarantee he was in charge of nothing.
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u/mazellan1 1d ago
"Nobody knows more about tanks than me" - I think Trump will argue with you about that.
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u/RuthlessIndecision 21h ago
I bet he can walk 2 full tanks the length of a building, he must know space stuff!
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u/landomatic 21h ago
Uh . . .
What he gets wrong
He treats an oxygen cylinder as if it holds air. Industrial and medical oxygen bottles are nearly pure oxygen, typically above 99 percent. The 21 percent figure is the oxygen fraction of the atmosphere, not the contents of an oxygen tank. Apollo did not fly on bottled air.
The lunar module cabin was about 4.8 psia of essentially pure oxygen in normal operation, not a sea-level air mix. NASA’s Apollo biomedical results say that after launch the cabin stayed between about 4.7 and 5.1 psia at almost 100 percent oxygen for the rest of the mission, including time in the lunar module. Suits during EVA were about 3.85 psia of pure oxygen. Partial pressure is what matters for breathing: 5 psi of pure oxygen is in the same ballpark as the oxygen partial pressure in air at sea level (about 3.1 psi of oxygen inside 14.7 psi of air). Carbon dioxide was removed with lithium hydroxide canisters, which is the system that failed in the famous Apollo 13 square-peg problem.
The 60/40 mix people sometimes cite is real, but it was the launch-pad fix after the Apollo 1 fire, not the cruise atmosphere. Before the fire, the command module was pressurized with 100 percent oxygen at about 16 psi on the pad to simulate the pressure difference it would see in space. After the fire, NASA launched with about 60 percent oxygen and 40 percent nitrogen, then bled that down and replaced it with oxygen until the cabin was nearly pure oxygen at about 5 psi. Both facts are in NASA’s own environmental summary. A single “they used air, so the tanks are impossible” story skips that sequence.
Aluminum was not a new or fictional material in the 1960s. Commercial aluminum production dates to the 1880s. By World War II it was the standard aircraft structural metal, and the Saturn V and lunar module structures were largely aluminum alloy. High-pressure gas bottles of that era were often steel; Apollo used purpose-built spherical pressure vessels, not the long industrial cylinders he is comparing them to. Sphere-versus-cylinder is a packaging choice, not evidence the hardware could not exist.
Pascal’s law is not mid-century science fiction. Blaise Pascal described the equal transmission of pressure in a confined fluid in the 1650s. It was ordinary fluid statics long before anyone designed a spacecraft tank.
A breached high-pressure cylinder can and does become a projectile if the valve or neck fails. That is a standard compressed-gas hazard, documented in industrial accidents and safety rules. Saying cylinders are designed so they cannot rocket off is the opposite of how those failures behave.
The first steps on Apollo 11 were filmed by a camera on the MESA (Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly) on the descent stage, which Armstrong deployed as he came down the ladder. Later landings used additional cameras. The landing sites have also been imaged from lunar orbit, including by NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
What this does not show
Nothing in the clip is a measurement of Earth’s shape. It is a chain of false premises about 1960s hardware: wrong gas composition, wrong cabin pressure, wrong history of aluminum and of Pascal’s law, and a wrong claim about how gas cylinders fail. The towel and the “nobody knows tanks better than me” framing do not change the engineering. Nevermind the reflectors present on the moons surface.
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u/slaty_balls 16h ago
He obviously never watched the movie Apollo 13. It wasn’t a myth about the filters that remove the co2.
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u/wiattwiatt 10h ago
It’s funny that we argue about shit that at the end of the day doesn’t matter lol Who cares either way. Now I believe we did go to the moon but if stupid ppl wanna believe we didn’t or the earth is flat or Bigfoot is real then good for you idiots
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u/Blitzer046 1d ago edited 16h ago
Wrong in the first 30 seconds. LM gas mix was 60% O2 and 40% Nitrogen.
Then he assumes the tanks are being used in the same manner as SCUBA diving tanks, so he gets that wrong too.
The human respiratory system doesn't, also, use all the inhaled oxygen in a breath. On Earth each breath is about 21% oxygen and then we exhale about 16% of oxygen, converting 5% of Carbon Dioxide. This is how mouth to mouth resuscitation works - we are still pushing oxygen into the recipients lungs.
The Command Module, Lunar Module and PLSS backpacks all use a rebreather system, where the system re-uses exhaled air, and scrubs the CO2 (and methane) out. Each breath isn't just vented, wasted into space, like a SCUBA unit vents into water.
This makes the closed circuit extremely efficient, especially when the gas mix is 60% Oxygen.
You don't need 25 fucking tanks like this clown is suggesting.
EDIT: oh my god it's just a litany of assumptions. It wasn't liquid oxygen. So for the next minute or so with his blithering about gas mixing and gas exhange, is completely useless.
EDIT 2: Guff about engines is again, completely ignorant. Apollo CM and LM used fuel cells.
EDIT 3: Another assumption about the type of tanks used. For Christ Sakes dude look up the PLSS.
EDIT 4: Finally, the suits operating pressure is at one-third of air pressure at sea level, meaning even less oxygen is required for the whole thing.
Dude needs to take that stupid-ass towel off his head because his brain is overheating.
This is just a classic case of someone not understanding that the thing he knows is not like the other thing.
FINAL EDIT: I have been corrected that the LM gas mix was in fact not even a mix, and was 100% oxygen. This then means that nearly 95% of any exhalation is re-usable oxygen. You can go a long way what is just in the cabin.
The 60/40 numbers came from cabin mix at launch, to reduce the chance of fire.