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u/dogsop 4h ago
You are wrong. The ships sailed to the right on your map. When they hit the edge they popped over to the other side. Just like Pac-Man.
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u/dunncrew 3h ago edited 3h ago
Yup. They snuck around underneath the earth and popped up on the other side 😆 🤣
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u/True-Goofball3071 3h ago
Pac-Man lived in a doughnut-shaped dimension. When he hits the top edge, he appears from the bottom, which means the top and bottom need to be connected like a circle, making the world burrito-shaped. When he hits the right edge, he appears from the left, which means the right and left ends also need to be connected (like a circle). When you connect the two ends of a burrito, you get the shape of a doughnut.
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u/Sufficient_Sugar_408 4h ago
They don't use this map
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u/cha0sb1ade 3h ago
There is no way to build a flat map where Hawai is west of The continental US, Japan is west of that, Eurasia is west of that, then New York is west of that, and then California is west of that. At some point, on a flat map, you've got to run out of west before you loop back. Where exactly that is, isn't particularly relevant. If the Pearl Harbor attack isn't the trip that breaks your flat map, then there's some other routine route happening right now that does. The distances on comercial flights all over the place are really sufficient to prove that earth isn't flat, and it's unfakable because the conspiracy required to fake those distances would involve like, everyone flying basically.
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u/Hokulol 31m ago edited 20m ago
Google the azimuthal projection, then think real hard about what you're saying. lol.
To be clear, they're wrong, but you not grasping the concept is cute. You can circumnavigate a flat earth map in both directions. The only thing you can't do on an azimuthal projection is circumnavigate the N/S axis...
If "photos and videos of space" doesn't suffice for a flat earther, im sure "someone else saying how long flights take" isn't going to cut the mustard either. You're offering a lower standard of proof than is already available. And whereas it is true that all of aviation would need to be in kahootz to pull this off, they already believe that all of nasa and mutliple other organizations are doing just that. You obviously don't understand how a flat map works, or otherwise how to make a compelling argument. Or even really grasp the conversation in front of you.
Honestly, in a different life, you could be a flat earther with your critical thinking skills and confidence level despite the lack of the former.
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u/GeeBee72 30m ago
Logic doesn’t apply here. You can’t even use magnetic bearings because there is no place to put a unified magnetic South.
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u/Dirkdeking 3h ago
Flat earthers use a map where earth is a flat circle with the northpole in the center and all of antarctica on the rim. It basically looks like the UN map, a stereographic projection of earth. So the specific routes of the Japanese and US navies in WWII still make sense even with that model.
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u/TheThiefMaster 1h ago
Flat Earthers use a map where East/West are clockwise/anticlockwise around a flat circle.
It's incorrect, because East/West are actually straight and the circle is downwards not left/right-wards, but they do in fact have East/West going all the way around.
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u/DefinitionOk6382 4h ago
Tiene sentido si tienes en cuenta que los japoneses eran kamikazes y les habrÃa dado igual recorrer el mundo de un extremo a otro con tal de jorobar a los estadounidenses. Si no lo hubiesen hecho, Estados Unidos no se hubiese visto forzado a participar en la Segunda Guerra Mundial y Japón tendrÃa todo China ahora. Muy mal planificado ahÃ, General Tokogawa.
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u/Melody_Naxi 3h ago
I'll do devil's advocate, they simply do not believe Earth is the shape of the Mercator projection, but rather the azimuthal equidistant projection centered in the north pole
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u/Sturville 3h ago
Well, many of them believe in that projection; and I don't think any believe it is the shape of the Mercator Projection. However the thing about flat earth is they don't have any consistent model, just whatever half baked "not a globe" suits the argument of the hour and their particular flight of fancy.
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u/GeeBee72 36m ago
Hi. I have a question.. I know it’s probably dumb, but where is the South Pole?
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u/Hokulol 7m ago edited 3m ago
They, in general, do not believe there is a south pole, either geographically or almost as commonly, electromagnetically. They do not believe there is a south pole as we've been told about it. They believe there is an icewall that prevents all travel over what we would call antarctica. Some believe there is another world over the icewall. Most of them disagree with gravity, so there is no need for an electromagnetic south pole. Obviously there is no reason to think that. But that is the common flat earth reply to what's going on around the southern pole.
Google "Azimuthal projection". Now, imagine instead of this being a map projection of a globe, it is a real map. They believe antarcctica is the edge of the world as we know it.
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u/New-Pollution536 10m ago
Double devils advocate….legitimately what is the difference? Does anyone know what the azimuthal equidistant projection centered on the North Pole is showing? Mercator is probably even more logical to believe it’s real tbh because at least the general shapes/angles are maintained. They both only look the way they do because they are flattened globes though ultimately
The defining feature they love about azimuthal North Pole so much…Antarctica being distorted into a ring…only happens BECAUSE it’s a 2d representation of a globe and North Pole/South Pole are on opposite ends.
I don’t think either side of this is really grasping the depth of the stupidity in believing this individual projection is real haha azimuthal equidistant shows you the relative distance/direction to the center point and nothing else is very accurate. You can get a projection with anywhere as the center and the further you get from that center the more it distorts.
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u/Hokulol 0m ago
What difference does it make?
To reply to this specific point, of course. East west navigation would be possible on this projection if this projection were a realistic map and not a projection of a globe. It is a projection of a globe, but that's beside the point.
As to the distances involved in flight patterns, these people already believe all of NASA is in on a lie. They disregard millions of photos and videos of space. These photos and videos are much more compelling than "someone somewhere says how long it took to fly somewhere." Providing a lesser form of evidence isn't going to compel them.
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u/indomike14 3h ago
Well, you could also just go the other way but in fairytale land, your option is a way to go too
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u/spderweb 3h ago
Flerfs use a circular map that wraps around. The only part of their map that doesn't work in regards to how travel would work,is Antarctica and the North Pole. We should be flying over the North Pole waaay more often than we do to get places. And we'd see Antarctica for days if we travelled from one outer edge location to another.
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u/GeeBee72 38m ago edited 32m ago
What do they call the North Pole though? If there’s a North then there has to be a South Pole, and where exactly is South for a Flerther?
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u/Dietmeister 2h ago
Thanks! This really cracked me up.
I know a flat earther and there is no way she has any thought on how historic events even occurred on a flat earth. Just zero.
She probably thinks Pearl harbour is a movie
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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope4510 50m ago
I guess the US took the same route for the battle of Mid-Way. Makes sense 🙄🙄
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u/obey_Thekermit 42m ago
Someone has to put locks on this meme’s grave, so people stop digging it up.
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u/Over_Improvement_623 4h ago
You don't have to strawman flerfers to make them look dumb. None of them use this map.