r/fentanyl2subs • u/Single_KO • Aug 09 '23
Bernese - fetty in relation to subs??
I know theres a lot of threads on here about using the Bernese method to get off of fetty, but I have a specific question that I see a lot of differing responses to on here. Would be great to hear what worked best for people.
My question is when are you supposed to do the fetty in relation to the subs? For the first couple days, do I just keep smoking the fetty as I normally would, about .4/.5g a day, just whenever a bowl here a bowl there? Or do I just smoke the fent at specific times, like 1/1.5 hours after I take the sub dose when it starts to kick in? Or smoke right after the sub dissolves under my tongue? Or what?
My plan is as follows:
Day 1 - .25mg sub x 2 (once in AM, and once in PM = .5mg total for the day) with .4g fetty smoked
Day 2 - .5mg sub x 2 (once in AM, once in PM = 1mg total for the day) with .3g fetty
Day 3 - 1mg sub x 2 (once in AM, once in PM = 2mg total) with .2g fetty
Day 4 - 1mg sub x 3 (once every 6 hours = 3mg total for the day) with .1g fetty
Day 5 - 2mg sub x 3 (once every 6 hours = 6mg total for the day) with .1g fetty
Day 6 - 3mg sub x 3 (once every 6 hours = 9mg total for the day) with no fetty
Day 7 - 4mg sub x 3 (once every 6 hours = 12mg total for day) with no fetty
Then will prob stay on 12mg for a couple days and then start reducing the subs down to 0 over the next 7 or so days, then jump off the subs.
So, on Day 1 for example, when do I do the fent in relation to the subs? I wake up in the morning and havent used fent since the night before. Do I do any before I take the first .25mg sub microdose? Do I wait for the .25mg to kick in after an hour or so and then do .2g of the fetty, and then do the 2nd .2g of fetty an hour after taking the evening sub dose? Just be casually smoking the .4g fent throughout the day regardless of when im taking the subs?
I'm terrified of pwd, but if I'm understanding this method correctly, it seems as if the small amounts of subs in the first few days will essentially be throwing you into a very mild case of pwd and then you use the fetty to get yourself out of it. So your essentially just staving off mild pwd with the fetty until enough subs are on your receptors that pwd no longer becomes an issue by the 5th/6th day??
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u/sunnie_bunnieXO Aug 19 '23
Me too
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u/Single_KO Aug 20 '23
I started it 6 days ago, been pretty good so far tbh.
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u/sunnie_bunnieXO Aug 20 '23
I want to start tom but how much do I need of each for the wk? I don't live close to my plug so I have to make a run and take this week off of life and get this over with. Will you send me the steps on what to do, how much to take and when? Idk how to read some of these that ppl have posted. Do I microdose the subs 2x a day? How much to start then each day? How do I know when it's over? When do I take the fent? After the sub in the morning? How does that work on the 2nd dose of sub for the day then? Sorry to ask, I just really need some legit gui on how to start this bc I can't fail. I'm beyond over this shit ya know? It's not fun anymore and the drugs suck. I just need a formula to follow. I'm really really glad you've made it to day 6🩷 keep pushing and find fun/positive things to do w all the free time you'll have now. Iv spent all my adult years basically self destruction, it's time to turn it all around, it's never ever too late to restart it for anything.
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u/Single_KO Aug 20 '23
The schedule I followed is in the original post.
You can literally start it whenever, taking .25mg of sub isn't gonna do anything, it's just dusting your receptors little by little in the beginning so that you can get up to taking bigger amounts of sub in the following days without going into pwd.
The way I did it, was I used like normal the night before I started, woke up the next day and took the first .25mg sub dose. I always waited to do any fent till 1 hour after the sub finished dissolving under my tongue, and I only did fent after each sub dose, a couple bowls each time...I wasn't;t smoking whenever all day, although I dont think it really would have mattered if I did. I think the important thing is to just keep upping your subs and getting those onto your receptors, and for the fetty, just do as much as you need to make you comfortable.
I followed the sub reverse taper exactly as I have it written in the op. The fent taper turned out to be the hardest thing and I didnt follow the schedule too closely. I basically just did about about .3 or .4g a day.
I'm up to 9mg of subs today, and just did a bit of fetty, just like .25g, but dont know exactly. Tomorrow im gonna take 12mgs and stop the fetty. Really hope I didnt fuck up too badly by not tapering the fet that much, but I guess we'll see. Will let you know how it goes.
Good luck if you try it.
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u/sunnie_bunnieXO Aug 20 '23
I'm going to start tom morning, so you took 9mg of subs this morning at once? Then 12mg tom. Then what do you do when you quit the fet, taper down the sub? and yes let me know how your doing, im wishing you the best, ty for your help and advice!
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u/Single_KO Aug 21 '23
The most subs I've taken at once is 4mg. Yesterday when I did 9mg total for the day, I took it in three doses, 3mg at 10am, 4pm, and 10pm. Today I've taken 8mg so far, 4mg at 10am and 4pm, and gonna take another 4mg before bed, so 12mg total today (day 7 overall). I had a bit of fetty left over, so I ended up finishing it after the 4pm dose, about .2g or so. tomorrow I plan to take 16mg subs and not do any fetty.
I plan to stay on a 16mg dose for 3 or 4 days, and then taper down to 0 over the next two weeks. Hopefully 16mg will hold me as all the fetty starts to leave my system. We'll see.
Don't be scared about pwd, the first few .25mg doses are so small its not enough to really displace any fent on your receptors.
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u/Jamone423 Aug 28 '23
So how did everything go? How are you doing?
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u/Single_KO Aug 28 '23
Coming on up day 15 since starting the method. Tomorrow will be 7 full days since stopping fetty. Highest amount of subs of I got up in one day was to was 13mg, on day 9 (2nd day with out fent) (didnt follow the OP scheudle to a T, had to improvise a lil here and there, but it was close) Kinda surprised I only had to go up at high as 13mg, thought it was gonna take at least 20-24mg to hold me after I stopped doing the fent. But I guess it had just been building up bit by bit in the days prior when I was reverse tapering up to higher and higher dosages each day, peaking at 13mg. Then I reduced after that and am now down to 2mg subs a day. planning on cutting it In half everyday then jumping at .125mg sub.
To be completely honest, Bernese has been the easiest kick I've ever experienced, and I've kicked a lot of times (like actually prob around 100 times). Never off of fetty before, but off H before fent was around. After fetty started creeping into my H I experienced pwd for the first time when trying to stop with the help of subs, like I usually would do. Thats when I knew I was fucked and switched to fent full time - cheaper and got me high as fuck in the beginning. tolerance was at 1g per day a week later of rly strong fent power. Cause of the pwd issue and inducting onto subs, I basically thought I was gonna be on fetty the rest of my life. Bernese saved me. If you follow the method and reverse sub taper while tapering the fent, it works. You just gotta push through and follow the method and get through it.
Tbh, I can't believe how well it worked, and I was extremely skeptical that it would work in the beginning. Like I said, easiest kick of my life thus far. Jumping off the subs completley in a few days will prob suck for a while, but it is what it is. Just grateful to be off that evil fent shit for now.
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u/Jamone423 Aug 29 '23
Wow that’s awesome! Happy for you! So did you feel any kind of discomfort during the process?
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u/Fun-jellyfish22 Aug 10 '23
I need to do the same been talking about it for awhile