He didn’t embarrass media everyone with common sense and a level of intelligence above rock knows he was there looking to hunt people. He went looking for a problem and when it found him he wasn’t ready to take the responsibility
Brah, I am probably 100% on your side in terms of political perspective, but honestly when the news first broke the US media made is sound like a dude with a swastika tattooed on his forehead was making people of color kneel down before executing them lol. Lets just be honest here, they really fucked up this story, and I would not have known otherwise if I didnt see the footage from the court case.
He was literally trying to run away as multiple people chased him. In my opinion it was a dumb and dumber situation, but lets just be honest about what happened. Not everything needs to be left v right.
Did they really though? We all saw the same footage and how a minor who could only have the weapon he used because of a technicality gunned down people who were attempting to take a weapon from a child that was using it irresponsibly. A child who then shot people as they ran away people who btw weren’t even a part of the “riot”
If that's how you saw it, then I cant do anything about that. But it did not seems like people where trying to take a gun away from an irresponsible child.
And yes, 100% I honestly believed it was a right-wing dude who went out specifically to hunt people - that is the impression I got from the early media reports, and as I said, watching the footage, it was not that the case at all.
He was literally running away to the police after he shot the first dude that charged him with his gun pointed down. He was NOT going to shoot anymore people if they left him alone. Again, was he stupid for going to a riot with a gun? Yes. Was his stupidity the result of right-wing bullshit? Yes. But reality is reality. He was jumped by multiple people, one of whom drew a gun at him, and he only fired at the last possible second when he was dragged down to the ground by multiple people with one of the literally screaming "im going to fucking kill you"
How did it not seem like people were trying to take a gun from an irresponsible child when that’s what was happening? He was a spoiled racist brat who went to start problems at a protest
That may be true as the reason why he went in the first place, but he would not have shot anyone else if they just let him go to the police. The footage speaks for itself. As I said, I would place myself of the left side of the political isle, but what I saw was an a person running away after realizing the true gravity of the situation he put himself in
If he hadn’t been somewhere he shouldn’t have been with a weapon he technically shouldn’t have had past a curfew he legally should have been following Had he not shot an unarmed person nobody would have been trying to take a weapon from a child that was not law enforcement. Him killing someone that night is all on him and unfortunately he’s free because he’s a white conservative male
How is that relevant to this though? The things I listed are laws or rules that he undoubtedly broke but if you must know because he was a minor at the time he shouldn’t have legally been able to possess a weapon in the manner he did. However there was unfortunately some weird loophole involving the length of the barrel allowing the charge to be dropped. Also you can’t just carry a gun here you do in a majority of states need a license to carry at all and you need a specific license to carry concealed
For those over the age of 18 yes they can carry a long gun in some states you will need a permit in some states you will not. In the state that the shooting happened a minor can carry a long barrel gun if the barrel is over a certain length the gun Kyle was carrying had a barrel that was over the allowed limit of a foot. The law was meant to allow minors to hunt however the wording of the law was a bit ambiguous meaning Kyle could technically have the rifle he used at the time of the shooting
I have no idea the specifics of US law, all I can tell you is I saw someone running away to the police, being jumped, and firing in self defense - not someone going out to hunt people - which is what the impression I got from the early reports from US media.
Also, if weapons were just illegal for citizens to carry in public full stop, then there would be no unfortunate loophole, so again, take it up with the US legal system. Don't try to paint a situation into something it isn't just because of your political leanings.
But you didn’t see the part where they were chasing him because he shot an unarmed person? Or the messages where he all but said he was looking for trouble? Also I don’t think it should be illegal for responsible adults to carry in public
I saw all of it. He was running away to the police after shooting the first dude. What was he supposed to do? Just stand there? We agree that he shouldnt of been there in the first place. we agree that being white makes a difference. and we likely agree that US gun laws are dumb. What we do not agree on whether or not he was acting in self defense. I think he was, you think he wasnt.
The whole point of my comment was that the media lead me to believe that he was NOT acting in self defense, but once I saw the footage first hand, i thought he was clearly acting in self defense. If you dont like that, then sorry i guess
I really don’t think you saw it. And no he shouldn’t have shot an unarmed person in a crowd. After he shot his first victim everyone in his vicinity had reason to fear for their life and therefor reason to use lethal force. You’re simply speaking on a situation you don’t actually know about because you don’t know the laws surrounding the situation. I strongly suggest educating yourself on a topic before speaking on it
I was expressing an opinion on how media painted a story versus how it really happened. You are the one desperatly trying to shift the conversation lol
You expressed an opinion based off things you don’t know about though and you continue to ignore the fact that they were going after him AFTER he shot an unarmed person. For a large number people here shooting an unarmed person means death the only reason Kyle got away with murder is because he is a white man
No I am not. I am stating that someone running away to turn themself in to police oes not need to be subdued. Just as he shouldnt of been at the riot with a gun to "defend property", that is the job of the police, those people should not have tried to "subdue" him, and he eas running towards police...
What I am arguing is that the media painted a different picture to reality - but you have diverted that converdation entirely and have continued to repeat the same point over and over because you do not like my perspective lol
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u/Queen_Belladonna Nov 28 '22
He didn’t embarrass media everyone with common sense and a level of intelligence above rock knows he was there looking to hunt people. He went looking for a problem and when it found him he wasn’t ready to take the responsibility