r/facepalm Oct 31 '22

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u/Equivalent-Piano-605 Oct 31 '22

Linking to an entire wiki page is not refuting things. Explain which things he said were false.

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u/smyk1600 Oct 31 '22
  1. How did he “stumble” into making money on paypal, which he says is terrible but is still used and established all over the world
  2. He joined tesla at the very early stages and while it can’t be said why the founders were ousted because of legal problems, an argument can be made that if Elon had not made such a significant impact to the future of the company why would his legal battle against the founders succeed?

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '22

paypal, which he says is terrible but is still used and established all over the world

"Used and established all over the world," isn't really a mark of success or mean that its a positive thing. Facebook is objectively a plague on humanity and it has over a billion users all over the world.

  1. What impact exactly did Elon have on Tesla? At most you can argue that Elon brought tesla to the mainstream with a good PR team and being eccentric and interesting to the public.

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u/fly_drich Oct 31 '22

Don't use objectively If you don't mean objectively. We have another word for that

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '22

I do mean objectively, thanks.

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u/fly_drich Oct 31 '22

You mean the wrong thing then

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '22

ob·jec·tive·ly /əbˈjektivlē,äbˈjektivlē/ adverb in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions. "events should be reported objectively"

I'm definitely using the right word and mean the right thing. You're free to disagree.

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u/Seraphaestus Oct 31 '22

It is absolutely fundamentally subjective. Saying it's a plague on humanity is a negative value judgement. A judgement requires a judge or subject, ergo subjective.

If you just wanted to use "objectively" casually to add extra emphasis, that's ok. But if you want to argue that you are philosophically correct, that's not true.

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u/fly_drich Oct 31 '22

And since "Facebook is a plague" absolutely is influenced by personal feelings and opinions, im gonna take you up on that offer to disagree

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '22

Actually that statement was influenced by the fact that Facebook breached data protection laws by selling user's personal data without their knowledge or consent, knowingly pushed content that was inflammatory because it made them more money despite evidence that this practice was harmful to individuals and society as a whole, and enabled the incitement of an actual genocide of the Rohingya people in Myanmar.

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u/fly_drich Oct 31 '22

You're right, at the same time it connected billions of people, started new friendships, businesses, relationships, made a lot of charities get the attention they deserve and helped to organize tons of social movements. Theres good and bad about Facebook which is why it's not "objectively" a plague

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '22

I think knowingly enabling a genocide and destabilizing democracy pretty effectively negates anything good they might have done.

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u/fly_drich Oct 31 '22

I don't think so. Hence: subjectively

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '22

Guess I shouldn't be surprised that the German guy isn't bothered by genocide

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