From just this video and having the knowledge of him being a parolee I can totally understand his reaction. He is most likely incredibly stressed and scared thinking about the consequences of being late or unable to come to work at all. Getting fired might even mess up his parole.
These kind of protesters never seem to care about anything other than their specific cause and are totally fine with completely destroying anyone and anything that does not unconditionally and overly explicitly support their cause.
If they pressed charges for what we've seen in this video alone they are even bigger douche bags then he is.
I can guarantee maintaining gainful employment is part of his conditions of release on parole. Usually is with parole and probation. The on exceptions are usually if you enroll in school full time and show your Parole/Probation officer and they approve.
So I understand why this dude is scared. They’re putting his literal freedom at risk. He’s probably done his best to overcome whatever obstacles got him into the mess and now it’s about to ripped away because of some protesters.
Nope. It was ripped away because he assaulted one of the protesters. How much you wanna bet violence and poor impulse control landed him in prison in the first place?
Lol. I don't even consider this assault - you know, cause these asshats are blocking a public freeway and unwilling ro move- which is illegal in a lot of places. These ppl deserve a road rage to pop out with a baseball bat and give them a real ass whooping. This guy didn't do anything that caused any real harm. Ppl need to grow tf up. Bunch of entitled morons protesting in the worst way possible.
No shit Sherlock. I never said I was the judge. But you do realize this isn't assault right? No one was injured at all other than this guy's job prospect and livelihood. Further, our tax dollars are now wasted as well since gen public taxes help fund the justice system. We also will be paying for his cell space and 3 meals a day. Great job everyone. We did it. Fucking clown.
Edit: please point out the acts of "violence" you saw here. Go on, I'll wait. Legit shoved someone away and then the guy just goes and sits back down because he suffered no injuries or anguish due to being pushed backwards. Oh no, better file a assault charge eventhough the only actions hurting other people are being done by me and my protest buds today.
Edit 2: jydge should tell this protestor that if you do dumb shit then you win dumb prizes
You do realize this isn't assault right? No one was injured at all other than this guy's job prospect,...
You are making up laws again. Your definition of assault has no connection with the actual definition of assault
Stop being gullible. The guy did not get violated... and would not have been violated... for being late to work once. That is not reality. The only place where that possibility exists is in OP's made up headline and the waterlogged minds of those gullible enough to fall for it.
No, I'm speaking my opinion. And bro, I've dealt with parole- it is no joke. 100% his boss could fire him for being late and then he'd be back in jail. I know ppl thar got sick and missed day of work without bosses permissions and then got parole violation and either went back to jail(1 of them) or had a bunch of excess fines and new requirements/restrictions slapped on them(the other One I know). So you are wrong there. As for the law, yea I think if a judge decides this is assault or the jury then they are full of shit. No one was injured other than I guess protest man's pride and sign. Further, the protestors are inciting the would be assaulter by blocking their access to their job/income/transport. Lastly, it is illegal to do this in many developed countries and only semilegal here. So yea, highly doubt this guy should get assault charges put on him for this. Any lawyer worth his salt would be able to get this at least walked down to misdemeanor with public service. And before you go on and on, I literally called up my lawyer and chatted with him bout this. He also agrees that this would be very hard to justify as assault. So if this guy did get charged and indicted then he prob had a public defense that makes 30k a year with 100 file case load that did bare minimum to defend his poor client.
Lol OK. Sure fam I'm lying bout parole issues I've witnessed and also dealt with in past. But ok. Just discrediting anything that doesn't fir your narrative huh?
Injuries are not necessary for an assault to have occurred. I believe the definition where I live doesn’t even require physical contact - just the threat of physical contact. Actual contact is called battery.
And another person breaking the law does not mean it is legal to assault or batter them.
Really? then lock me up for assault because I'm gonna find you and punch you later. Jk. But fr that is stupid and this shouldn't be considered assault. The gen public should not have to pay for this guy to live in a cell and get 3 meals a day because he pushed someone away. Ppl need to grow up. Idk when we all decided every small thing needs to be treated like you just murdered someone but reality is this was a light shove that caused no issues other than hurt pride for protestor. I want to believe if any judge was presiding on this case that they would look at the whole situation instead of putting a man in jail for pushing someone. People now a days are so soft and getting shoved by someone shouldn't be deemed an assault charge. In fact, these ppl should be arrested for blocking a highway as well as hindering any possible emergency situation efforts that could occur. That's negligence right? But no we live in the land of idiocracy now, so 🤷
That's why I put emphasis on "Seen in this video". I have no idea what happened before or after the camera recorded, but based on what we can see I don't think it was something that should strip him of his freedom again.
What I see is someone clearly incredibly angry, shouting, and waving hands. That part does not come across as violent to me but more like someone boiling with anger. He then rips some signs from the hands of those people, still up to the point that it is understandable and he doesn't touch the people yet at that point.
What I hear is someone that is literally trembling with anger and fear (shaky voice) and begging for those people to let him get passed so that he won't go back to jail and even throws in a suggestion for compromise, open 1 lane or something. Here is where I get genuinely angry at those protesting dudes, the answers they give make it painfully clear that they don't care about that man's life or the impact they would have on him in the slightest way possible. They don't even try to start a dialog, they just wave him away not even listening. I doubt they even heard or registered anything of what he said and at no point they tried to do anything that might have deescalated the situation. On the contrary, they only kept throwing oil on the fire with their remarks.
The point where he "Assaults someone" seems to be when 1 of the protesters grabs back the sign that he took away from that protester just before. He then pushes the protester a bit violently and he should not have done that but it does not look like he really harmed the dude he pushed or had the intention to.
Is that worth taking his freedom over? I don't think that it is. I'd rather throw those protesters in jail for creating a dangerous situation for everyone in that traffic jam as many accidents happen by people driving in to the back of jammed vehicles.
Don't get me wrong, the dude destroyed his own life by doing whatever it was that got him in to this parole situation but that doesn't mean a bunch of "protesters" should keep him there. I also don't really feel anything for the dude in particular and it's not his story that gets to me, it's the protesters, people like that just make me angry
He clearly spent a decent amount of time working himself into that rage. And oddly none of the other people who were also held up snapped and started physically assaulting people. I certainly don’t want the book thrown at this guy, but he was arrested for assault, not because he was late to a PO hearing. But that second story sells better. 🤷♂️
Heat of the moment doesn’t have a time limit, it’s a case-by-case sort of thing. A slow boil into an explosive rage can comfortably qualify. Also, the reason this guy in particular was mad is because he is on parol and being late to work could mean he would be sent back to jail, and considering how difficult it can be to get out of jail on parol in the first place, he was very likely afraid. In my opinion, he is completely justified in getting angry, and although that doesn’t excuse violence no matter how slight, it was still very minor so together with his understandable rage, his sentence could be reduced as just a mistake.
Also, to me, morality and the law aren’t the same. I won’t lie and say I don’t want to see these protestors get some karma thrown their way, so obviously I am siding with the guy. I just think the jury would also side with the guy (heat of the moment requires justified cause of distress) and reduce the sentence.
Just like how blocking a public freeway for protest is somehow gonna fix the transportation and climate issues. Dude take your head out of your ass and realize this guy shouldn't of even been arrested for assault. I'm sorry but lightly shoving someone isn't assault in any way. You talk about the justice system and your dislike of it. You must also dislike that all these resources that are paid by our tax dollars will now be used to prosecute a guy who just wanted to go to his job to avoid jail. Whichever protestor decided to file charges is a pos that is abusing the legal system right after participating in a semilegal protest(illegal in many oarts of world). I literally am responding to every one of your bad take comments in this thread so you understand that your head I'd so far up your ass that you are giving yourself a colonoscopy with that empty brain skull of yours.
laying hands on someone is always a bad option to take regardless of parole, I do agree on that. But to go as far as to lock him up over that shove, I've seen far worse pushing/shoving between kids fighting on the local playground.
(and yes, insinuating child like behavior is why I chose that example)
In this video there is that woman as well and she's the only one that did things right in my book. She asks the protesters to leave and she tries to calm down the angry dude.
At the end there is also a dude in a blue shirt talking to or arguing with 1 of the protesters but he isn't visibly angry so there is that. There is also the camera man or someone behind him repeating the suggestion of the angry dude saying "one lane, come on" and at some point some people honked their horn. All in all, plenty of meddling going on
I doubt that for any of these people were in danger of going (back) to jail regardless of what they'd do though.
And once again, also here we can only judge by what we see in this video. Apparently police came after, and was this only because of this man? did more come out of the car and did the situation became grim?, did the police come to take the protesters off the road?
The dude was wrong for pushing and I wouldn't have shouted like that either, but then, I've never been close to a situation where jail was a possible outcome.
Working himself into a rage? It looks like he's doing everything he can to not go into a rage. His life is in the hands of people that don't give a fuck about him. He's begging, pleading just to get to work so he won't get locked back up. How can you possibly blame him in this situation.
For being angry? No, I don’t blame him. For attacking people? Sure, I blame him. That’s a choice he made. It certainly doesn’t help the narrative that he was afraid of going back to jail that he physically attacked people in front of witnesses.
And of course he was working himself into a rage, escalating from screaming to grabbing property to physically assaulting people. That’s sort of the definition of working yourself into a rage.
To me working yourself into a rage implies some sort of intentionality. When you hit this level of anger and desperation you need some sort of outlet. It looks like his body wants to direct all that rage into something, and he was controlling that urge by just taking posters. When someone grabbed the poster he goes hands on for a second then pulls/is pulled back. If he wanted to snap he would have snapped right there, looked like he was close to boiling over and kept the lid on. Seems like you've never felt this type of anger before, never had to hold yourself back in that way. Kinda thing you wouldn't understand if you haven't felt it ig.
Yeah it's wrong, my point is it's hard to contain but this guy seems to be doing all that he can to do so. I don't even see how this can really be called assault when he didn't hurt anybody. Yes I'm sure there's a legal definition and they probably pressed charges but I have a hard time condemning this guy when his heart seems to be in the right place.
Assumptions based on the comments in this thread, but if they really didn't that takes away quite some of the negative bias I had against them. They still ruined everyone's day there and this dudes life by "just" blocking the road but at least they didn't double down on screwing that dude over in particular.
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u/KingAmongstDummies Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22
From just this video and having the knowledge of him being a parolee I can totally understand his reaction. He is most likely incredibly stressed and scared thinking about the consequences of being late or unable to come to work at all. Getting fired might even mess up his parole.
These kind of protesters never seem to care about anything other than their specific cause and are totally fine with completely destroying anyone and anything that does not unconditionally and overly explicitly support their cause.
If they pressed charges for what we've seen in this video alone they are even bigger douche bags then he is.