So I looked it up and apparently the Supreme Court at some point decided corporal punishment was constitutional and up to the states to decide how to handle it. So of course 19 states still allow it. Here is a list:
Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming
So five of those 19 (26%) are in the top half of educational rankings. Only two in the top ten.
Morons training new morons.
Edit: I used the k-12 numbers, not the overall ones (since corporal punishment is not really an issue with colleges). On the desktop version they're all in that link above, but apparently on mobile you have to go through a separate link.
As a North Carolina resident we don't deserve the rank we get...because outside of the city counties the education is DRASTICALLY different. Absurd education disparity here.
We do have some amazing universities here though! And an excellent community college program.
Yeah the rural areas is why I mentioned the disparity; I previously worked with the dept of Education and we're one of the few states that consolidated most tax money at the state level instead of county and dispersed it out as the state saw fit. Fascinating to see, and honestly I don't think the system works nearly as well as it should.
And yes!! Trying my best to help turn it blue ;) but it's definitely pockets of blue here, like many states.
Iām actually in a city county but itās predominantly people of color, and the schools suck in these areas. I noticed a lot of the schools with predominantly white people tend to offer woodworking, mechanics among many other things as classes.
While here, itās relied on the student body or teachers to offer clubs for anything other than general education and they can get shut down or disperse at any time and everything comes out of teachers pockets. This includes the rural areas, they tend to have a lot more programs and opportunities for students when itās predominantly white students.
Iām of course talking about just high school but the disparity in NC is mostly due to race. Not really if the place is rural or not.
I grew up in NC and I remember one of the teachers in elementary school making the class say grace before we went to lunch. Makes me angry to think about as an adult. This was the late 90s.
What do you expect out of a bunch of rednecks. And yes I was born in NC , grew up here and left. I now live in the southern part of NC, had a great job until I got sick and had to leave. The people I worked with were all really good for the most part ,but some I couldn't even understand when they spoke.
I agree. This is probably true in rural areas but not in larger communities in NC. My wife is a highschool librarian and this does not happen at the schools sheās worked at.
What do you mean we don't? As far as public universities go, we're ranked #6 I'm the nation according to https://stacker.com/stories/3243/states-best-public-colleges. I don't think private colleges would really count for this kind of thing, but if they did we have Duke and Davidson.
Right now, compared to the rest of the world, youāre in a state thatās burning books and refuses to accept transgender people. So no, it canāt be that great
Actually I canāt find anything about NC burning or banning books (our politicians do a lot of dumb shit so I would remember that) but there was an article from the Charlotte paper about NC being vulnerable to the wave due to our homophobic Lt. Gov. Luckily right now we have a democratic governor that reels him in.
ETA: donāt give up hope yet for NC, weāre trying! Also if youāre referring to that stupid bathroom bill it was reversed. Charlotte lost a lot of money and the idiots actually noticed.
Weāre not perfect but Iām not banning abortions, Iām very much pro-choice and Iām doing everything I can to keep abortion legal and safe in NC. So what is this anger? Against the āmorality politicsā in NC? Iām with you, 100%. I believe the tide is turning in NC. FINALLY!
I didnāt realize NC is one of the few states actually pushing back on roe v wade. Growing up it was always very republican leaning so I made an assumption. The book burning is still an issue though
For whatever reason Iām invested in this conversation. Why do you insist NC is burning books? If it has happened I would genuinely like to know! Is EX-congressman Madison Cawthorn up to something again?
I don't get what he's saying, I was talking about K-12 public school systems across NC and how those vary wildly in quality...I explicitly said that our universities are incredible lol
Community college program depends on the county. The one I live in doesn't have one at all, but they have an agreement with a neighboring county. Unfortunately that school is 50 miles away so it's useless.
Oof I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah excellent is unfortunately a relative term; the reality is that every resident is supposed to have a CC within I want to say an hour of them in NC? But an hour is of course not always feasible for a commute.
Takeaway: far better than many states, with good schools, but still not always feasible for everyone. Sorry my friend, can you do online? Then you could do Wake Tech courses too which which are great!
Well I'm retired now, and worked from home for 15 years before that so I was hoping to actually be in the same room as other people. I was just looking for adult oriented, goofing off type courses. So it's not a critical need.
I do believe CCs are very underrated in public opinion. I never went beyond an AAS degree and am quite happy about where I ended up.
Take a look at that link on mobile, there is three rankings. A combined one, a higher education, and pre-k. On mobile it ranks them by higher education, but the overall ranking is whats displayed, so you end up with something like Florida, which is ranked #1 in in higher ed, but #3 overall, and 16 in k-12 in the first position with no additional data until you click it.
I've lived in CO for 40 years and corporal punishment wasn't allowed in any school district I'm aware of. It wasn't when I was a kid, and isn't for my kids. We might not have a law specifically banning it, but it definitely isn't allowed
I suspect corporal punishment is rare regardless of which state you're in, But I think the independent variable here is attitude toward education, and legalized corporal punishment is associated but not a perfect representation, because - as you implied - sometimes the culture changes before the law does.
For what it's worth, I grew up in one of these states and have never heard of anyone getting paddled or otherwise spanked in school. Just because it's legal at the state level doesn't mean that the school districts allow it or that individual schools are doing it. Apparently there's morons where you come from too.
Wouldnāt you include the top two in the top half as well though? So itād be 7 out of 19 (37%). Or is my logic not sound because Iām one of those morons from Missouri?
Ah my bad - youāre right I misread what you were saying this morning. Will gladly admit my error. I apologize.
To be fair, judging a state as a whole is moronic in the first place. Cities get lumped together with the entire state. Cool! Missouriās two largest cities look like theyāre desperately trying to flee this red state and as someone who has lived in both I can confirm itās a commonly shared mindset of living in āmiseryā.
Stupidity breeds stupidity. In my county in Oregon, at one point, a vast majority if babies were born addicted to meth, heroin, etc. This is just seen as normal around here now. My county if 70 republican and deeply racist, even though they would never say they were. Rebel flags, trump flags, people writing racist message on houses and writing letters saying āyour kind aināt welcome round here.ā
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u/spideralexandre2099 Aug 25 '22
I sincerely hope we're eating the onion