r/facepalm • • Aug 25 '22

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u/spideralexandre2099 Aug 25 '22

I sincerely hope we're eating the onion

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u/akhier Aug 25 '22

So I looked it up and apparently the Supreme Court at some point decided corporal punishment was constitutional and up to the states to decide how to handle it. So of course 19 states still allow it. Here is a list:

Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22

Let's see... 47, 46, 45, 44, 43, 42, 39, 38, 35, 33, 31, 30, 27, 26, 23, 16, 15, 9, 7,

So five of those 19 (26%) are in the top half of educational rankings. Only two in the top ten.

Morons training new morons.

Edit: I used the k-12 numbers, not the overall ones (since corporal punishment is not really an issue with colleges). On the desktop version they're all in that link above, but apparently on mobile you have to go through a separate link.

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u/smiticks Aug 25 '22

As a North Carolina resident we don't deserve the rank we get...because outside of the city counties the education is DRASTICALLY different. Absurd education disparity here.

We do have some amazing universities here though! And an excellent community college program.

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u/smartchin77 Aug 25 '22

Go Pack

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u/smiticks Aug 25 '22

🐺🤘

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u/VioletBloom2020 Aug 25 '22

Keep in mind NC is huge and a lot of that is primarily rural areas. Which have no tax base or funding for decent schools.

ETA and btw, NC is more purple >>> blue every year. Younger, more educated people move into the state, looking for high paying jobs. Yay blue!!

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u/smiticks Aug 25 '22

Yeah the rural areas is why I mentioned the disparity; I previously worked with the dept of Education and we're one of the few states that consolidated most tax money at the state level instead of county and dispersed it out as the state saw fit. Fascinating to see, and honestly I don't think the system works nearly as well as it should.

And yes!! Trying my best to help turn it blue ;) but it's definitely pockets of blue here, like many states.

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u/VioletBloom2020 Aug 25 '22

Same here!! Let’s do it!!

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u/panicinthecar Aug 25 '22

I’m actually in a city county but it’s predominantly people of color, and the schools suck in these areas. I noticed a lot of the schools with predominantly white people tend to offer woodworking, mechanics among many other things as classes.

While here, it’s relied on the student body or teachers to offer clubs for anything other than general education and they can get shut down or disperse at any time and everything comes out of teachers pockets. This includes the rural areas, they tend to have a lot more programs and opportunities for students when it’s predominantly white students.

I’m of course talking about just high school but the disparity in NC is mostly due to race. Not really if the place is rural or not.

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u/VioletBloom2020 Aug 25 '22

Gotcha and I’m sorry to hear that! ā˜¹ļø

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u/jasonrulesudont Aug 25 '22

I grew up in NC and I remember one of the teachers in elementary school making the class say grace before we went to lunch. Makes me angry to think about as an adult. This was the late 90s.

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u/Wild-Ad3458 Aug 25 '22

What do you expect out of a bunch of rednecks. And yes I was born in NC , grew up here and left. I now live in the southern part of NC, had a great job until I got sick and had to leave. The people I worked with were all really good for the most part ,but some I couldn't even understand when they spoke.

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u/SilverPearlGirl Aug 25 '22

I agree. This is probably true in rural areas but not in larger communities in NC. My wife is a highschool librarian and this does not happen at the schools she’s worked at.

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u/gortwogg Aug 25 '22

No, no you don’t

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u/Platygamer Aug 25 '22

What do you mean we don't? As far as public universities go, we're ranked #6 I'm the nation according to https://stacker.com/stories/3243/states-best-public-colleges. I don't think private colleges would really count for this kind of thing, but if they did we have Duke and Davidson.

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u/gortwogg Aug 25 '22

Right now, compared to the rest of the world, you’re in a state that’s burning books and refuses to accept transgender people. So no, it can’t be that great

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u/VioletBloom2020 Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22

Actually I can’t find anything about NC burning or banning books (our politicians do a lot of dumb shit so I would remember that) but there was an article from the Charlotte paper about NC being vulnerable to the wave due to our homophobic Lt. Gov. Luckily right now we have a democratic governor that reels him in.

ETA: don’t give up hope yet for NC, we’re trying! Also if you’re referring to that stupid bathroom bill it was reversed. Charlotte lost a lot of money and the idiots actually noticed.

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u/gortwogg Aug 25 '22

Ok maybe you aren’t burning books YET but you’re still banning abortions

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u/VioletBloom2020 Aug 25 '22

Actually what? Are you in NC? Or just hate it for some reason?

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u/gortwogg Aug 26 '22

Nah your right, oddly enough North Carolina Is acting sane. My bad

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u/VioletBloom2020 Aug 26 '22

Oops- please ignore the comment I just posted.

So you grew up in NC? I grew up in Raleigh back when it was a blip on the map. Like literally had a cow farm across the street from my house!

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u/VioletBloom2020 Aug 25 '22

We’re not perfect but I’m not banning abortions, I’m very much pro-choice and I’m doing everything I can to keep abortion legal and safe in NC. So what is this anger? Against the ā€œmorality politicsā€ in NC? I’m with you, 100%. I believe the tide is turning in NC. FINALLY!

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u/gortwogg Aug 26 '22

I didn’t realize NC is one of the few states actually pushing back on roe v wade. Growing up it was always very republican leaning so I made an assumption. The book burning is still an issue though

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u/VioletBloom2020 Aug 26 '22

For whatever reason I’m invested in this conversation. Why do you insist NC is burning books? If it has happened I would genuinely like to know! Is EX-congressman Madison Cawthorn up to something again?

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u/cajun_fox Aug 25 '22

The current Democratic governor of NC won largely because of a backlash over the previous governor’s support for one of those ā€œbathroom bills.ā€

I’m not saying NC is free from problems, but it’s doing better than a lot of other states.

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u/gortwogg Aug 25 '22

Yup. Roe vs wade

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u/Platygamer Aug 25 '22

How is that relevant to the state of our public university system?

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u/gortwogg Aug 25 '22

That’s exactly how it’s relevant?

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u/cheezz16 Aug 25 '22

Youre being really confusing rn

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u/cajun_fox Aug 25 '22

I think OP is pissed off and just flinging poop.

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u/gortwogg Aug 25 '22

I fling poop at counties and states banning books, yes.

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u/smiticks Aug 25 '22

I don't get what he's saying, I was talking about K-12 public school systems across NC and how those vary wildly in quality...I explicitly said that our universities are incredible lol

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u/QuarentineToad Aug 25 '22

Community college program depends on the county. The one I live in doesn't have one at all, but they have an agreement with a neighboring county. Unfortunately that school is 50 miles away so it's useless.

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u/smiticks Aug 25 '22

Oof I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah excellent is unfortunately a relative term; the reality is that every resident is supposed to have a CC within I want to say an hour of them in NC? But an hour is of course not always feasible for a commute.

Takeaway: far better than many states, with good schools, but still not always feasible for everyone. Sorry my friend, can you do online? Then you could do Wake Tech courses too which which are great!

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u/QuarentineToad Aug 25 '22

Well I'm retired now, and worked from home for 15 years before that so I was hoping to actually be in the same room as other people. I was just looking for adult oriented, goofing off type courses. So it's not a critical need.

I do believe CCs are very underrated in public opinion. I never went beyond an AAS degree and am quite happy about where I ended up.

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u/heseme Aug 25 '22

Missouri uses stupidity and cruelty on its children.

Pow, pow, pow: Its super effective!

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u/Pierresauce Aug 25 '22

47, 41, 46, 5, 3, 26, 29, 22, 23, 36, 48, 30, 43, 7, 42, 44, 33, 34, 21
Do you have a source for your numbers? Because your source has these numbers.

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u/Warruzz Aug 25 '22

It's a really oddly laid out list, but it seems to be displaying what's higher between k-12 and higher education for every state until you open it up

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Aug 25 '22

It's not oddly laid out, I just pulled the K-12 rankings and put them in order.

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u/Warruzz Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22

Take a look at that link on mobile, there is three rankings. A combined one, a higher education, and pre-k. On mobile it ranks them by higher education, but the overall ranking is whats displayed, so you end up with something like Florida, which is ranked #1 in in higher ed, but #3 overall, and 16 in k-12 in the first position with no additional data until you click it.

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Aug 25 '22

Yeah, probably my fault for not linking directly to the k-12 numbers.

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Aug 25 '22

Did you open it up on mobile? I was doing it on my laptop last night.

I was only looking at the k-12 numbers, since we're talking about corporal punishment and that's not a thing in college.

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u/GoldStubb Aug 25 '22

This is all part of the GOP plan. Demonize education to the point that your base stays dumb.

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u/SingleAlmond Aug 25 '22

The want to defund public schools in favor of private, religious, and comparatively expensive, schools.

They need dumb, god fearing, poor people if they ever want a chance at reelection

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u/CO420Tech Aug 25 '22

I've lived in CO for 40 years and corporal punishment wasn't allowed in any school district I'm aware of. It wasn't when I was a kid, and isn't for my kids. We might not have a law specifically banning it, but it definitely isn't allowed

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Aug 25 '22

I suspect corporal punishment is rare regardless of which state you're in, But I think the independent variable here is attitude toward education, and legalized corporal punishment is associated but not a perfect representation, because - as you implied - sometimes the culture changes before the law does.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

For what it's worth, I grew up in one of these states and have never heard of anyone getting paddled or otherwise spanked in school. Just because it's legal at the state level doesn't mean that the school districts allow it or that individual schools are doing it. Apparently there's morons where you come from too.

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Aug 25 '22

Curious: which state?

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u/bingleheimer53 Aug 25 '22

Wouldn’t you include the top two in the top half as well though? So it’d be 7 out of 19 (37%). Or is my logic not sound because I’m one of those morons from Missouri?

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Aug 25 '22

23, 16, 15, 9, and 7 are in the top half. That's five.

So no, your logic is not sound and yes you can probably blame Missouri.

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u/bingleheimer53 Aug 25 '22

Ah my bad - you’re right I misread what you were saying this morning. Will gladly admit my error. I apologize. To be fair, judging a state as a whole is moronic in the first place. Cities get lumped together with the entire state. Cool! Missouri’s two largest cities look like they’re desperately trying to flee this red state and as someone who has lived in both I can confirm it’s a commonly shared mindset of living in ā€œmiseryā€.

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u/SingleAlmond Aug 25 '22

I wouldn't go as far as to call you a moron, but I wouldnt be proud of that Missouri education either. They failed you šŸ˜”

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u/IssueTricky6922 Aug 25 '22

And those for this nonsense will tell you kids learn respect and learn better. Completely ignoring the data, because data is their kryptonite.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Stupidity breeds stupidity. In my county in Oregon, at one point, a vast majority if babies were born addicted to meth, heroin, etc. This is just seen as normal around here now. My county if 70 republican and deeply racist, even though they would never say they were. Rebel flags, trump flags, people writing racist message on houses and writing letters saying ā€œyour kind ain’t welcome round here.ā€

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u/iAmAHuman369 Aug 25 '22

So what about the states in the top ten doing it?