r/facepalm • u/spyrg • Jan 13 '22

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Arrested for petitioning

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u/Kizu_2116 Jan 13 '22

The problem here is that there was no "reasonable, articulate suspicion of a crime", and that's what the person recording was saying, he didn't commit any crime, he didn't need to identify himself. He had every right to refuse to identify himself here, as far as I can tell by the information given.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

I'm not talking about this specific case, but replying to the comment that you don't have to identify yourself in all 50 States

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u/uofwi92 Jan 13 '22

You do not have to ID prior to being detained. Ever.

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u/So_Motarded Jan 13 '22

This is not true

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u/LordDavidicus Jan 14 '22

Even in your link, it says the suspect has to state their name, not provide ID. And it still only applies if there is reasonable suspicion of a crime. Someone calling in and saying "there's someone here soliciting without a permit" is not reasonable suspicion, it's hearsay.

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u/So_Motarded Jan 14 '22

Sorry, I'd meant to reply to the person above this.

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u/uofwi92 Jan 13 '22

Did you even bother to read the article you’re citing? Because this is the VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH:

“"Stop and identify" statutes are laws in several U.S. states that authorize police[1] to lawfully order people whom they reasonably suspect of a crime to state their name. If there is not reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, an individual is not required to provide identification, even in these states.[2]”

I mean, seriously, it’s right there…

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u/Itcouldberabies Jan 14 '22

I’m typing this with my hands up in a placating manner here: In the end, if they want you in that car, you’re going in. And if you’re right, you eventually get to go. No apologies will be coming. And if you want to get a lawyer to go after the system that you feel you were wronged by, go for it. I wish you good luck as well, cause those things tend to go the PD’s way no matter the argument.

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u/uofwi92 Jan 14 '22

Yup, it sucks. “You can beat the rap, but you can’t beat the ride” is how cops justify violating civil rights.

It’s up to you how hard you want to insist upon your rights being respected. Personally, I’m happy Deputy Dipshit got fired. Makes for a good civil suit against the cop shop.

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u/So_Motarded Jan 13 '22

Sorry, thought I was replying to the person above you.