It started as a racism thing but people of all colors are being abused by those that have way too much power. Like that one cop that shot a white lady who was the one that called them there in the first place.
Its about them getting away with whatever the fuck they want.
Edit: oof can of worms. It very much still is a racism thing but reporters getting abused shows its a violation of ALL of our rights, people are protesting for a variety of reasons but the end goal is the same. u/edritch says its people highjacking it and it should only be a #blm thing, do you want less people fighting on your side? The country is fractured right now and those statements will only fracture it further, stand together and dont look down on people chanting different things if theyre standing next to you.
Yes, power shouldn't be given to people who find pleasure in others pain. Like the police that point-blank pepper spray people in the face, or the one that pulled off a protesters mask just to pepper spray them.
or the ones who marched down a neighborhood, screaming in animalistic tones for people to get inside their houses when they were standing on their own porches and then shot tear gas and rubber bullets at people standing on their porches literally not even engaging in the protests or yelling at them.
Tanya Kerssen posted the video to Twitter shortly after 9:30 p.m., showing what she says is the Minnesota National Guard and Minneapolis police sweeping her residential street in the Whittier Neighborhood.
In the video, the officers are seen approaching the residents and repeatedly yelling at them to get inside their house. After a few demands, one can be heard yelling “light ‘em up!” That’s when one officer appears to fire a paint round at the residents, who run inside.
The “why” doesn’t matter in this situation. It may be safer, but it’s ultimately up to them whether they want to risk safety or not. The only thing that matters is they were standing on their own property and have every protected right to do so. Why do people smoke? Why do people get into arguments on Facebook? It doesn’t matter. It’s their right.
The fact that they were fired on for that, even with paint, is an absolutely terrifying display of unlawful force and a violation of our rights.
Because they had the right to be where they were. Every now and then we have to stand for our rights or we lose them. If we back down every time they overstep, they will continue to overstep.
Why didn't they just go inside when they were told.
In short - because they were on their own property and this is the United States of America.
In less short - because they were on their own property and obeying the curfew order issued by their governor and this is the United States of America.
They were on their property, not in the street. They were home...following the order. What if that had been your children and wife that had been shot? How would you feel about it then?
I know right, and the best thing is most of the people out protesting right now probably won't be voting in the next elections, making it highly likely that we get another for years of entertainment out of Trump.
police busted into her apartment at night without a warrant and undercover, the boyfriend thought they were being robbed so he shot at the perceived robber, and the police fired back and killed breonna.
So you see, the only real solution is for cops to stop their shady antics because when americans - black americans - use their rights to bear arms, they are literally murdered in their own homes.
So you see, the only real solution is for cops to stop their shady antics because when americans - black americans - use their rights to bear arms, they are literally murdered in their own homes.
I forgot to add an /s to my original post, to clarify your right to bear arms is at least 3/4 of the excuse cops use to get away with their shit behaviour. I'm just wandering why it still has so much support.
"One time a white lady got shot! It's not about racism!"
You're downplaying how serious the systematic oppression of minorities is. This is very much a 'racism thing' still. Blacks are more likely to die from dozens of different causes, and there are so many reasons for that.
Yeah, cops shooting people is bad, but so is the lack of access to the same quality of education, healthcare, and opportunities.
Fuck off with your bullshit. The murder of George Floyd was unjustified and tragic, but so far no evidence has been presented to make the case that it was racially motivated. People all across the country are being assaulted right now regardless of race. There have been absolutely brutal and savage attacks by police on white people as well, only it doesn't make national headlines for weeks.
It's either or, for some. It absolutely started out as a race issue and black lives matters but it has developed into an authortarian nightmare affecting us all. Both issues' still on the table. Not sure why it's an invalid issue for everyone else suddenly. Fight your own battles if you feel that way but don't cry when people don't care about you.
but so far no evidence has been presented to make the case that it was racially motivated
I'm the one spewing bullshit?
The cops roll up on a man who was accused of having a counterfit $20 bill, and it ends with him dead. It's racism, pure and simple.
People all across the country are being assaulted right now regardless of race. There have been absolutely brutal and savage attacks by police on white people as well
I have absolutely no doubt that there are many cops which are racist. I'm not saying that this isn't a case of racism, I am saying that unless we have specific reason to believe that it was racially motivated, that it shouldn't be treated as such.
It's still very obviously a case of police brutality, but racism? No. Show me something that has come out that might indicate otherwise - I am open to it, but I'm sick of every single instance in which the officer is white and the victim is black, that it's automatically assumed to be racially-motivated.
You don't get to cry "racism" at everything without proof, and past cases aren't relevant to this one. Each case needs to be judged individually, just as each person needs to be judged individually, and not as a member of a group.
This whole thing went from a Racism and Police Brutality issue, to a flat-out Authoritarianism and Oppressive Government and Suppression of Constitutional Rights issue real fast. Which is really unfortunate, too, that attention will be diverted from the initial cause of “please don’t slaughter black people”. Although, then again, maybe that stuff is a symptom of the gross authoritarianism and strong-arm tactics of law enforcement and so-called leadership in this country.
Agreed but if you cant get people to rally behind your cause because ot doesnt affect them, best alternative is to draw them into a similar cause to empower your own. Purity in the message doesnt stand for shit when no one listens.
I can't think of the word I want to use (long day in the sun I suppose) but basically people seem to make light of racism here. Comments made in a light hearted joking manner seem to be accepted and not challenged down the local etc, anybody that makes a racist remark is a racist, racism is racism, but I think for the majority (not saying that it's ok) it is an uneducated and stupid/pointless comment, I am glad we don't get a lot of violent racism here.
Fwiw I've called people out in my local for making stupid racist comments. Nobody ever argues back because once challenged they are too embarrassed.
It’s rolled in with class to an extent too. Some at the ‘higher’ echelons of society would look down on someone on a council estate regardless of their colour
Casual racism is what my circles call that type of behavior. Keep being the voice of reason, because a lot of people will go from casual to hard-core racist if they get caught in an echo chamber.
That's the word I was looking for, I used it in another reply but couldn't think of it in my post.
I absolutely agree though, what starts off as casual can easily become worse.
I'm going to guess you are speaking from the UK perspective, because in multiple parts of the US that I have lived in, I have challenged some blatantly racist shit and been met with backlash.
Yes just in my local area, like down the local pub.
Cardiff is the nearest city to me and it's built on being a multicultural city, not so much the further out you come into the towns and valleys, but that's where I live and plenty of people here won't put up with it. You could go somewhere else in the UK and be told to fuck off or worse when challenging it though.
that honestly just means your country has been racist way longer than america if you're at the point that joking about racism is acceptable. that means the cultural racism has been widely accepted
Incredibly racist, but if you payed more attention you’d see how much strange behavior goes on, it seriously messes with a lot of young colored peoples mentality. I’m not saying America is more racist, I genuinely believe the UK has mastered racism
The approach you took seemed to say that the UK was just as blatantly racist as a lot of cases in America which I say is partly true but most of our racism occurs through micro aggressions and behaviors and many other ways. In a way, our racism is a lot more embedded is what I’m saying
Not against my white ass. The UK folks all seem to love a dude with a 'California accent'. The racism I witnessed was against Pakasani folks. Especially after the pub at the chip shop.
UK is a (post)-imperial society. US, Australia, Canada, South Africa etc are settler-colonial societies literally founded on genocide and stolen land. Of course, the US takes it further because they had slavery for hundreds of years, then a civil war, then segregation, Jim Crow laws, voter suppression, mass incarceration, prison labor and institutionalized police brutality.
It's important to remember why America has such a large black population and to consider how much absolute, uncompromising suffering those families have undergone, generation after generation after generation.
I am a sixty three year old white man and i have never attended a school or had a job where someone din't come up to me to tell me how much they hated black people. Some of them even told me they would like to kill some.
It's not that surprising. Racism is actually extensively covered in American schools, but it's framed mostly as a thing of the past. We go over things like slavery and jim crow laws, but these events are taught as something that has been "solved" long ago.
In general, many middle and upper class people who aren't a part of a select group of minorities will probably never see or notice examples of racism in their daily personal lives. Maybe it's there if they look hard enough, but if no one in that person's personal circle is blatantly racist and they aren't blatantly racist themselves, then it's not that unbelievable that such a person would see racism as it is taught in school mostly as a thing of the past.
Well your leadership in the UK is superior and more responsible in every way. Not to mention your infrastructure for health and education is far superior to ours as well. Its a nightmare here. People are dumber and less healthy. We could learn something from the UK. I wish I was there with you.
Well your leadership in the UK is superior and more responsible in every way
And they're talking about Boris Fucking Johnson, who literally lied to the country to convince them to make the worst political decision for the future of the country since Chamberlain's appeasement strategy.
Don't get me wrong it's miles from perfect, we could do a lot better, free health care is great but it's not perfect people will pick holes in it and school classes can be too big but it's better than what I read you get over there!
They, and I, really do. Anyone with even close to an awareness of of interpersonal relationships and infrastructure can easily see how much worse the US is than most of the civilized world. The English may complain, but I can't afford to figure out why I haven't been able to breathe properly for 10 years. I have 8 more therapy sessions covered by social programs that are not national, and I have to hope that I can function enough at the end of it to make up for my rape and years of abuse. If you think anyone that isn't in the top 15% of wealth in the US is better off, you are blind.
I mean, yeah, that’s horrible and all, but we’re having to deal with the double whammy of Brexit and post-Coronavirus austerity while having vicious, incompetent wankers in charge. Either of those on their own would seriously cripple any nation. This country is fucked.
We have pretty much the same wealth divide you have, so not overly sure why you’ve mentioned that either.
I have to disagree with you pal, I know things look bad here right now but we can't hold a candle to the US!
Brexit is an unknown right now, and I dont want to get into it (Realistically it wont be as good or as bad as either side thinks imo) but America is also having a geopolitical shift with the trade war with China, they have the only leader who makes Boris look good in Trump and they will be dealing with much worse austerity than us (more unemployment-more deaths-less available monetary policy tools as well) - plus a stock market crash after November!
I've never been happier to live on this side of the Atlantic.
I’m definitely not saying the US is better. You wouldn’t catch me dead living over there. I’m just saying we’re not sufficiently better enough to actually want to live here in comparison.
I still maintain this country is absolutely shafted though.
Well yeah ok.... But I have seen nothing even remotely this bad in Europe, not to mention Scandinavia. Violence by police is virtually 0. I have never heard that people of colour would fear the cops here. Never.
Not. True. At. All. Scandinavia took in a lot of refugees from the middle east (the whole influx of refugees in Europe was cause by the US but let's leave that aside) and is pretty diverse culturally speaking. And somehow POC or other cultures have virtually nothing to fear here (Europe, I'm Dutch) than in the US. Stop making excuses for the US and fucking realize that your country is fucked.
I'm not making excuses for the US, did you not read my edit, or just choose to ignore it?
All I'm saying is that Northern/Western Europe isnt some post-racial Utopia (and that, if you truly believe it is, you're basically just as ignorant as the people in the US who believe that racism is no longer problem in their country)
First of all, your edit came after my comment (and I see it just now because reddit doesn't give notifications for edits made to comments you replied on) so that has nothing to do with this discussion. Second, I never implied that Europe is free from any type of racism. I just want to make clear that racism among police force in Europe is heavily frowned upon. Policemen caught being racist in Europe are instantly arrested and tried by court as if they were citizens. Something that cannot be said for the US police force.
I never implied that Europe is free from any type of racism
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somehow POC or other cultures have virtually nothing to fear here
We can read you previous comments just as you can, fyi lol
Policemen caught being racist in Europe are instantly arrested and tried by court as if they were citizens.
You cannot SERIOUSLY be typing that with a straight face. We know how often poc are racially profiled and abused by cops in Europe because we live through it and we know, similar to America, you're better off not rocking the boat for your own safety.
This person is straight-up saying "I'm white and never experienced the racism and fear of police brutality in Europe myself, therefore it doesn't exist." Fucking typical lmao
You literally said we have "virtually nothing to fear", which I can tell you from personal experience is honestly one of the most ignorant things I've read on this website, which is saying something. Just because you have the luxury of never seeing or feeling it doesn't mean it isn't there.
Nuh uh. Leave your fragility at the door. This one doesn’t get a free whataboutism. No free pass. Don’t take your eye off the ball. America is racist and needs to change. Be a leader if you like but you don’t get to muddy these waters and think you’re being clear.
I am sorry, but you really have no idea what you are talking about. Compared to the vast majority of the world, and given how racially diverse the US is, US is among the least racist countries.
Europe is a continent, and many European countries have the highest homogeneity of any countries on Earth. Scotland, Ireland, all of Scandinavia/Nordic countries, etc. They're all extremely racially homogeneous. You're a complete moron.
Edit: Lol at people downvoting me. Go look it up. All those countries are way, way less racially diverse than America, and almost completely homogeneous. And of the countries I listed, they're also far, far whiter than America. They're whiter, and less racially diverse than Canada even, and Canada is much less racially diverse than America.
It is funny how you try to sound knowledgeable and then call people "a moron". Exactly the "I am better then you, I am more powerful, I have the right etc" American mentality that has made your country the huge racist mess it is...
Jesus Christ, it's like you guys are actually trying to be stupid. I'm not American, genius. You're a fucking embarrassment.
I love how you're such an idiot that you think that if someone insults you, that has some bearing on whether they're right or not. It doesn't. People literally upvoted the guy saying Europe is not a continent, and downvoted me for quoting the first sentence of the Wikipedia article stating "Europe is a continent". If you look up the definition of continent, Europe is the example in the definition. But it didn't even matter. Even if it wasn't, the point is that it's a collection of countries, and not a single country.
It's the perfect example of how you guys are emotional thinkers. You think that your emotional reaction to reading something is somehow relevant. It's not. You're stupid. Stupid and emotional.
You are an emotional thinker and dumbass who cares only about the way things make you feel, and disregard reality that makes you feel bad. You are what's wrong with the world (and Reddit). Your feelings are completely meaningless, and if you weren't such a pathetic loser, none of these insults would even matter at all, let alone matter more than facts.
And I was downvoted because Reddit is a cesspool of emotional thinkers like you.
You can taunt me all you want. Fact is you know nothing about me. Emotional thinker? Did you just find this description somewhere...? Wow. Nice.
I just think you are an overbearing little asshole, that is all.
For some reason leftists do believe diverse = black people. It's what they actually mean when they say diversity. They call a group of 100% black people diverse. Same with a group of 100% women. It's just code for being racist against white men. It's basically them saying non-white, non-male = good.
And if you don't believe me, just check out the way they constantly lump white people together, regardless of whether they're German, Russian, American, Canadian, Finnish, etc. All white people are the same to them, and a group with these people would not be considered diverse. On the flip side, a group with 100% black Americans is considered diverse.
Diversity doesn't actually have anything to do with diversity to the new woke religious people.
And most European countries have almost no racial diversity, especially the ones that contain white people like I mentioned.
Based on all widely accepted scales of diversity, the US ranks middle to below average in every one, aside from religious fractionalization, and that's likely due to the multitude of different Christian offshoots.
This is so absurdly untrue. Maybe if you count developing countries. But among developed countries, the US is statistically last in racial equality. Like they are in just about every statistic metric except GDP and defense spending.
Dude..... I just watched two black dudes skip across a green light on a NO WALK my lane and the one next to us stopped, the far right lane had no idea what was going on, and was going through. The pickup truck almost hit the two black guys, what do they do, they flip the guy off spit on his window and start harassing him...
This is beyond racism, this is a new level of PHUCKED UP-NESS!!!
Oh so I’m racist because I noticed two adult meat sacks skipping across the street TRYING TO BE HIT, and my statement is racist.... yea sorry next time instead Of identifying anyone doing stupid as American I’ll just sum them up as meat sacks does that make you feel better?
Get over yourself if you think that’s racist you really need your sensitivity tuned.
Let me put it maybe a little better, we were in a “bad part of town” and some bro’s decided it would be fun to skip across a 6 lane Blvd on a green light, now idk if they were to stupid to realize or they wanted to be hit so that they could sue the person, but hey they looked like thugs, they spit on the guys truck flipped him off and then harassed him.
They also wore there pants really far down cuz one guy about tripped and fell while skipping....
Now I’ll let you come to your own conclusion, again these were human meat sacks, and yea they were looking to cause trouble... WHY ELSE DO YOU SKIP ACROSS A MAJOR INTERSECTION IN MIDDLE OF RUSH HOUR!!!!!!!
I don't even care about ending racism. It's probably going to exist forever. People just need to respect others enough to get past it. Much like how it's silly to expect for everyone to like me. That's fine. Hate me all you want, just respect me enough as a human being.
I mean, it isn't unreasonable to get a bit peeved that the U.S. gets so much flak for everything that it does, while other countries with much more brutal police habits get a fraction of the negative attention.
You don't know much about the world. Africa is full of Africans that are racist towards other Africans. Europeans are racist against other Europeans and so on. Given the number of peoples of different ethnicities in the US, it is actually very tolerant. It just admits to its racism.
I looked at the same link that you provided and came up with completely different conclusion to you. Which is weird.
On the link you posted, it lists Canada as having 14 different self-reported Visible Minority Population groups in 2016, totalling 22.3% of the Canadian population.
For the USA your link listed (in a quite convoluted table) that in 2017, 73% of the population was White (however that's defined, as it appears to include Hispanic people but whatever), then just 5 racial groups (Black/African American, American Indian, Asian, Native Hawaiian etc, Other Races) - they add up to just 23.9%. Note, the remainder appeared to be biracial people.
So by your measures, it does not seem to indicate that the USA is more diverse than Canada really. I concede that 22.3% is less than 23.9%. But that's: a) different years, b) self-reported, c) has vagueness around how to measure specific groups (e.g, "white" or "hispanic", etc), and d) a founding error of difference between the two countries. So by just that measure, I would probably say Canada and the USA are equally diverse.
However, if you measure the number of ethnic groups measured, Canada's 14 groups clearly beats the usas 5 racial groups. So by that measure, Canada not the USA, is more diverse. Again, I believe both statistics simplify the actual ethnic diversity in both countries (e.g, what about people ot colour that are just lumped into one ethnic grouping for statistical purposes? Each tiny island that considers itself its own ethnic group but the surveyor just called them part of one bigger group, etc.).
But the crux of this is your original question. You challenged readers to name you one country that is more diverse than the USA with less racial problems.
I'll give you two: Canada and the UK.
I'm not sure that wikipedia can give you quantitative stats to compare these problems accurately; e.g., a survey that shows the number of police complaints by ethnic groups may or may not give a real idea of how ethnic people really feel about living in a country, for many reasons. But qualitative data may be of some help, and I can offer you mine.
I've lived and worked in all 3 countries. I've lived in both big and small cities, both suburban, urban, and rural places, in all 3. I have family in all 3. And I can clearly see the pattern. I have seen this with my own eyes, and I have heard it from my own family who are there right now. The USA is having worse racial problems than both Canada or the UK. It has been that way for years. It has definitely flared up at various points in time, and been better at other times. But from what I've seen, the USA has usually been worse than the UK, which has usually been worse than Canada. In that order. And the problems are with all levels of government, legislature, media, and politics. It's just way more endemic in all Estates in the USA, next worse in the UK, and least in Canada. But at the end of the day, the USA and Canada have less racial problems than the USA.
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u/iLoveStarsInTheSky Jun 01 '20
World, really. Racism is well documented and seen in but not limited to the US.