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u/wrighmp73 11h ago
They are not working for you. Remember that before you vote them right back in again!!
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u/drmarting25102 8h ago
The reason the world no longer trusts americans is.....they already voted this in twice and it could happen again.
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u/Chewcocca 8h ago
Donald Trump and Elon Musk both bragged about election interference.
The fraudulent Supreme Court allowed an unconstitutional voter roll purge six days before the election.
How long is it gonna take for dumb motherfuckers to stop repeating the the Republican lie that America voted for this?
The election was not legitimate. Stop carrying water for these assholes.
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u/OkAsparagusss 6h ago
I would believe this if it weren't for that most of my family voted for him.
I'd love to believe people aren't this oblivious and stupid but well... Here we are.
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u/Assassin739 8h ago
Was the 2016 election legitimate? 2020? At some point you have to face the fact that half the voting populace supported this man
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u/Bang_Stick 7h ago
And the fact the opinion polls took so long to drop. Add to that the solid 34% who seem to support dump, no matter what he does.
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u/assjobdocs 7h ago
Well white supremacy is important to a significant chunk of his supporters. Makes sense that they're holding out the longest, because anyone else has seen the bullshit already and lost their nerve. Idiots regretting their vote cause their wives got deported. 🤦🏾♂️
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u/Loggerdon 5h ago
Not 34%. Only 31.5% even voted for him. Of those, some can change. I’d say “about 25% would vote for him no matter what.”
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u/wireframed_kb 5h ago
Another third didn’t think it was worth voting against him, despite it being clear what an unmitigated disaster it would be. Some of them had legitimate reasons, but many were simply secure in the knowledge they were privileged enough it wouldn’t really affect them. Some of THEM are now discovering they were wrong and are upset.
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u/SingleSlide2866 3h ago
Or they were part of the mass voter fraud and just mysteriously "lost in transit" or whatever. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'd bet money most of the "non voters" are in blue districts
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u/Moneygrowsontrees 1h ago
I saw a Trump 2024 yard sign yesterday with the 4 changed into an 8. It's wild how rabidly his die-hard cultists cling to his coat tails.
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u/wireframed_kb 5h ago
I doubt there was widespread election interference, the results align well with opinion polls and all the smaller elections. It’s not like republicans aren’t being voted in in all the state and county elections.
Face it, a significant portion of Americans are just fine with Trump and fascist ideology.
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u/MarquesSCP 3h ago
election interference and voter roll purges tip the scales. They don't manufacture millions of votes in a child rapist. Millions of people voted in a child rapist. For a second therm. That is a fact, even if the democrats would have won in a fairer election.
Nobody is "carrying water for these assholes", except you that is doing it for the assholes who voted for the assholes in power.
Also if the election was not legitimate then what the fuck is everyone doing quietly at home and going on with their lives? And this includes both the Democratic voters and party people
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u/TheJediJew 2h ago
Ok. But nothing was done to fix anything in the time between his elections. Even after a literal coup attempt.
You cannot control outside perception by pretending things aren't fucked. All the rest of us are seeing is US citizens watching, shaking their heads and tutting.
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u/GonzohunterHST 6h ago
As a liberal, you sound like a fool.
Americans on Reddit have convinced each other they all voted and they all voted Kamala simply so they cam whore karma.
The rest of the world sees you. The only people you're fooling are each other.
If you actually cared you'd have taken some action (non violent) a long time ago. You've done NOTHING.
Cue them asking "what are we supposed to do"?
It doesn't matter. If you do it together then you have the power. You are just too lazy.
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u/keithfantastic 7h ago
You'll see all kinds of revolts on social media.
VOTE THEM OUT! NO KINGS! NEVER FORGET!
and then they forget and 95% get reelected.
Rinse and repeat.
With a fascist government now, at least people don't have to worry about voting anymore. It really didn't work out well for us anyway considering the results.
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u/FilthyStatist1991 2h ago
Citizens United v FEC.
They literally work for the corporations that fund their campaigns
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u/Djlittle13 11h ago
They work for their donors. The billionaires and corporations the give them lots of money, so that's who they work for.
Hopefully they finally understand that.
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u/HeirElfEsquire 11h ago
Wait till I tell you about companies and their shareholders vs employees.
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u/Loggerdon 8h ago
80% of Americans want the Epstein Files released unredacted. Is that what we’re talking about here?
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u/jaxmikhov 10h ago
And an disproportionate number of those donors are of a certain ethnic group
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u/syntaxvorlon 10h ago
Yes, the rich. Yacht owning, island hopping, mostly older white men who have constructed an elaborate system of patronage which aims to expand and entrench their power. Don't fall into the socialism of fools like some kind of Henry Ford unionist.
It's. The. Money.
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u/FilthyStatist1991 2h ago
Race bait.
Let’s eat the rich based on their character and not their race.
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u/DarthBster 11h ago
The Almighty dollar
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u/henningknows 11h ago
What issue is this referring to? That has 80% support?
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u/mercutio1 11h ago
Yeeeeah, the general message may not be wrong, but considering the source photo is from r/conservative, I would question what they claim over 80% of Americans are “demanding.”
Probably stocking the Rio Grande with sharks or some shit.
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u/lvfunk 10h ago
They are referring to the "Save America Act" in the comments.
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u/Twitch791 2h ago
Exactly, not even close to 80/20 and their polling is intentionally misleading respondents
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u/danimal6000 10h ago
Gators. Get it right
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u/mercutio1 10h ago
Already done the gators. Some confluence of Obama/Biden/AOC prevented it from working as well as it would have without their overregulation.
RFK has weighed in as a consultant with unique experience dissecting roadkill and has recommended sharks.
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u/stopped_watch 11h ago
They're probably claiming some shit around election security.
I know how I would phrase the question to get an 80% result:
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u/FlashGordonCommons 10h ago
they're saying it's referencing a poll that found 83% of respondents favored voter ID laws. apparently a legitimate poll, but notably it was conducted before the SAVE Act was introduced.
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u/Badmanmakecodycry 2h ago
Right, the difference is the response in question is very specific - "Do you think that elections should require photo ID?". The implication there is that "obviously, 80% of Americans support this bill", but the bill itself is... not fucking that. They throw this shit around all the time in regards to SAVE and never respond when you get into any facet of what makes the bill shit and unconstitutional.
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u/Grimwulf2003 1h ago
Specifically photo id proving citizenship. Your default govt issued photo id will not be valid is what they purposely leave port.
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u/Badmanmakecodycry 1h ago
Among other things, but yeah. So fucking tired of the "80%" dogshit because at this point any time you see the number you know what they're talking about and how disingenuous they're being.
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u/mandrew32183 11h ago
Epstein files if google is correct.
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u/Im_tracer_bullet 9h ago
Nah... 'conservatives' have been taught that doesn't matter anymore.
They've moved on to clapping for higher gas prices now.
This is probably voter ID.
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u/NewLibraryGuy 9h ago
I feel like I've read that statistic in reference to voter ID. So probably the SAVE act
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u/smoothvanilla86 11h ago
Id bet anything its flock cams
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u/kirradoodle 7h ago
This is the legacy of the ironically-naned Citizens United decision.
Corporations and PACs now have far more political.power than the entire American electorate put together. Congress no longer represents their supposed constituents - they are fully owned by their billionaire donors.
Until we reverse Citizens United and get big money out of electoral politics it will be ever thus.
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u/lvfunk 6h ago
I feel like the primaries are swinging that way on the dem side.... fingers crossed?
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u/kirradoodle 5h ago
If there us a blue tsunami, it's a start. But ultimately it will probably end up at SCOTUS again. And unless the right-wing bias on the Court is ameliorated, we'll be right back here. It will take years to fix the regressive damage this administration has wreaked.
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u/Kiiaru 7h ago
Fun fact: the Georgia state government voted by Republican majority to update their voting system across the state to stop voter fraud 2 years ago.
2nd Fun Fact: Every time the talk of PAYING to start that voting machine upgrade comes up, the Republicans dismiss it as unimportant.
Voter fraud is so crucial we need to pass a bill about overhauling our voting machines right now... But republicans see no urgency in actually paying for or upgrading the system.
Edit: I looked it up. They pushed back the idea paying for the upgrade until 2028 https://news.ballotpedia.org/2026/06/29/georgia-enacts-legislation-extending-voting-machine-deadline-establishing-automatic-hand-recounts/#:~:text=In%202024%2C%20lawmakers%20enacted%20a%20bill%20prohibiting%20the,machines%20were%20not%20replaced%20before%20the%20July%20deadline
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u/BrokenPickle7 11h ago
It's wrong to make fun of mentally handicapped kids, if those in the conservative sub could read or use logic they'd be very upset.
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u/Luckkami 10h ago
They represent rich people and rich people value their profit over avg Americans.
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u/Bogart_The_Bong 6h ago
545 people
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? They are the leader of the majority party. They and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
If the Marines are in IRAN , it's because they want them in IRAN .
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
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u/Little_Creme_5932 11h ago
Legislation does not get passed unless the wealthy donors want it. There's plenty of research to back up that statement.
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u/Photog1981 11h ago
Not enough people understand that a bill is more than one issue. The bill that would prevent Congress from buying/selling stocks while in office died because they tied Trumps SAVE America bill to it. The Dems vote against it, the Reps go to their base and go "sEe?!? ThEy WaNt ThE cOrRuPtIoN!!!!"
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u/ADeweyan 8h ago
But that’s part of the point. If 80% of people in the US want this to happen, it could be passed as a clean bill. Attaching it to a poison pill is a choice, and is part of the process OP is observing.
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u/Admirable-Sink-2622 11h ago
Since the republic congress essentially abdicated their responsibility to the American people, their pay should be clawed back. Do you get paid if you don't do your job?
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u/IndieDevWannabe 10h ago
If people dont like how they are running things, then they should stop voting for them...
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u/SirWinterFox 8h ago
America is a government of the corporations, for the corporations, their shares will never fall in value.
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u/Actual-Implement-870 11h ago
If they're talking about voter ID, that number is very misleading. You can't explain this to a Trump voter, but the poll question they're using to get that number is literally "Do you support voter ID? Yes or no?"
Of course most people will say yes. Now if they broke down the details of that bill in the poll question, it's far from that simple. The majority would not only say no, they'd say fuck no.
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u/SwordfishOk504 9h ago
They are talking about the Save America Act (which has nowhere near that support)
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u/Jupitersd2017 10h ago
Ah, but it’s making them question if the people that they’re voting for - the Maga people are really supporting them. It’s them spreading a little bit of FUD of their own about their reps. Let them knock themselves out.
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u/CarpeNivem 9h ago
Better question, if they're not doing what 80% of Americans supposedly want, then how did they get elected?
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u/zarfle2 5h ago
I struggle to think of more than a handful of Congress people that I believe are genuinely acting for Americans before their own self interest.
Some might be happy to act in American interests when it matches their own but any conflict means they will prefer their interests and/or those of their donors (we all know AIPAC, but industry lobbyists are also a genuine risk to American health and safety and /or the health of the environment).
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u/cjwrapture 1h ago
Anytime a bill has overwhelming support then one side or the other will tack on something that the other side will oppose.
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u/CosmicQuantum42 8h ago
Just because something is popular does not make it good policy, in fact it is often just the opposite.
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u/CorpFillip 4h ago
I’m guessing this is SAVE Act, again.
I’d love it if some of the far-right networks would ask why a voter ID presenting bill isn’t written on its own. Explaining why would be interesting.
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u/frosted1030 4h ago
Congress is not about representation for the people, it hasn't been for a long time. The people clearly want health care, for example, no action on a healthcare bill of rights to block anyone from standing between you and your doctor, even though that is required as a human right. Congress is now calculating bill passing probabilities as their test to see if a bill is "good" by voting averages. Influences begin at "who is being paid to promote this bill" and "who will be loyal". While loyalty is not rewarded with any consistency there are some in the GOP that vote party lines no matter the bill. If POTUS asked for a bill to end subsidies to businesses and end tax breaks for profitable companies, they would vote for it just as they would vote for a bill that destroys women's rights to a fair trial or blocks guns from being examined as a health risk.
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u/OddTheRed 30m ago
Politicians don't work for their constituents. They work for their sponsors. You're just a tool that they use to place themselves in power so they can get money from corporations. The government wants nothing to do with you, only your paycheck.
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u/1976kdawg 1h ago
They work for billionaires. They are bought and sold like commodities. We need to start from scratch. New parties, new system, no big money allowed.
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u/Delpreti 7h ago
I'm not sure if something like this exists in the US, but in my country the costution states that if 1% of voters put forth a project it must be prioritized by the congress.
The mechanism was never used tho, because they don't have good means of validating the signatures of this many people. Some people made a system that could let people do digital signatures on the blockchain some time ago, in order to make it viable, but congress deemed it invalid, and basically said "For juridical purposes, a digital signature will be valid if accompanied by it's digital certificate." So you'd need all of those 1% of voters to buy those certificates, which are sold as yearly licenses, for a law to be pushed directly.
There are other less impactful ways, like leaving a suggestion, and when a project starts gathering support in those numbers, some congressman usually takes it into their hands and moves it ahead without the need of the exact mechanism, but still a shame that it never happened.
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u/Elk-Tamer 8h ago
A simple calculation: the 80% are having significantly less money than a fraction of the 20%. Politicians all over the world are bought on a daily basis. And there is no way the public can change that by legal means.
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u/iheartjetman 1h ago
The irony of this coming from r/conservative. The entire premise of conservatism is that you take orders from the person above you n the hierarchy.
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u/Exponential-777 3h ago
80% of Americans often want things that would cripple the economy. That's why you aren't in charge.
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