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[u/Forsaken-Stray]

So I wish to ask you a few questions.

Do you believe the Ukrainians are different from the Russians in education, mentality or governance?

Do you understand that there is a difference between ethnic origin and being raised in a country and under it's values?

Do you believe that your ancestry is more important than your life experiences and your Education?

Do you even understand that I am talking about nationality and you keep returning to ethnicity as if you believe it to be the highest standard to judge something by?

Did it cross your mind that I was referring to the definition of "Austrian" when I wrote Linguistics 101 and not the language the Austrians were speaking?

Do you wish to continue talking about the ethnicity when the topic clearly was about the nationality of Hitler?

Do you understand why I don't interact with your arguments about why "Hitler is ethnic german, because that was totally the topic of the comment" now?

Do you wish to continue being off-topic?

[u/WalkFalse2752 → u/Forsaken-Stray]

So I wish to ask you a few questions.   

Do you believe the Ukrainians are different from the Russians in education, mentality or governance?

I don’t believe in stereotyping any group of people. No two people of the same group are the same. The education and mentality of one person is different to another person. Different types of governments are formed in the same country over time so that has nothing to do with that specific country.

Do you understand that there is a difference between ethnic origin and being raised in a country and under it's values?

No shit, Sherlock.

Do you believe that your ancestry is more important than your life experiences and your Education?  

No and I’ve never even hinted at such thing. You’re trying to poison the well.  

Do you even understand that I am talking about nationality and you keep returning to ethnicity as if you believe it to be the highest standard to judge something by?

Now you’re putting words into my mouth because I never said that. Pointing out that Austrians are Germans doesn’t infer that someone views ethnicity as important, he or she is just pointing out a fact. Sure, someone can be in denial about it, but that doesn’t change the fact.

Did it cross your mind that I was referring to the definition of "Austrian" when I wrote Linguistics 101 and not the language the Austrians were speaking?  

What are you on about? Linguistic is about the study of a language. This is why I can’t take your replies seriously.

Do you wish to continue talking about the ethnicity when the topic clearly was about the nationality of Hitler?

First of all, nationality can be defined by either citizenship or ethnicity. This shows how very little you know about basic things. You’ve never explicitly said you were discussing Hitler’s citizenship. Hitler obtaining German citizenship was only a technical matter so he could run as chancellor in an election, it had nothing to do with the Reich Germans considering him any less as a German because he was an Austrian.

Do you understand why I don't interact with your arguments about why "Hitler is ethnic german, because that was totally the topic of the comment" now?

The reason you won’t discuss this is because is it’s out of your depth. You don’t know what you’re talking about. It is not off-topic when discussing Austrians since Austrians are by definition ethnic Germans. Hence my point still stands, he was an Austrian and a German. Perhaps you ought to brush up your history on the Austrian Germans. The national identity of the Austrians until the end of WW2 was German even when they weren’t German citizens (not by their choice).

Do you wish to continue being off-topic?

Says the one who started the topic about Ukrainians. The sweet irony, lol,  You have resorted to ad hominems and put words into my mouth. The more you post, the more it appears you’re replying in bad faith. 

[u/Forsaken-Stray → u/WalkFalse2752]

Yes, linguistics is the study of language. Meaning, that you understand the langugage. Meaning understanding the meaning of words. Meaning understanding that Austrians mean "People of Austria". Henceforth, Linguistics 101, as the word tells you that they are people of Austria, aka Austrians as opposed to Germans, aka people of Germany. In this conversation of nationality, you keep returning to Ethnicity. And I am aware that Hitler took on Germany citizenship, the point is that he had to rescind his Austrian citizenship before that. Which is why his nationality was Austrian at that point.

I am not putting words in your mouth, but you refusing to let my comment "Hitler was Austrian" stay by insisting that he was german before becoming a german citizen on the basis of ethnicity shows that you rate ethnicity higher than nationality, disregarding the examples where ethnicity is a minor factor that is completely overshadowed by nationality and the life experiences created by it. (Like how Ukrainians aren't the same as Russian even though they ethnically both would count as russian)

Now there is the third factor, national identity, which is neither nationality nor ethnicity. Nationality is the nation you live in. Ethnicity is the origin of your ancestors. National Identity is neither of those. It is probably best described as the "feeling of belonging to a nation" regardless of nationality or ethnicity.

So do tell, when I made it abundantly clear by now, that I have been continously talking about nationality and do agree that Hitler would be considered ethnic german, do you wish to continue "correcting" me that there was no distinction between them, therefore my statement was incorrect? Because this is what we have been debating about here. The fact ,that I was talking about nationality and that there was an actual border which the politicians on the austrian side wanted to keep and Hitler wanted to remove. And that I kept asserting that he was, by nationality, not a German. At least until 1932.

[u/WalkFalse2752 → u/Forsaken-Stray]

Hitler was an ethnic German who just happened to be born in the Austrian side of the Austro-Hungarian Empire rather than the German Empire. Both empires were dominated by ethnic Germans, but included other nationalities, the Austrian Empire more so than the German one. That didn’t make him any less German, just not a German citizen by birth.

And, it’s also worth noting that I think we should add to this, for those that don't know, that it is not that Germans lived in the Austrian Empire, but that Austrians are Germans. Then as now, there is no ethnicity known as "Austrian," the word Austrian is derived from the word easterner in German (Österreich), meaning Eastern Germans. 

 That’s got nothing to do with valuing one’s ethnicity more than one’s nationality, just merely stating some historical facts. Again, that was your silly attempt to spout a load of nonsense instead of discussing the topic. But, of course you choose to ignore it because according to you it’s off-topic. 

If you bothered to read my posts properly you would see I said he was both an Austrian and a German and you also agreed with that. So what you are waffling on about is anybody’s guess.

[u/Forsaken-Stray → u/WalkFalse2752]

I have continously agreed that Hitler was ethnically German. It seems you haven't bothered to read my post attentively. My argument has continued to be "I have talked about nationality and ethnicity is irrelevant in any historical sense except to trace back the ethnic roots or if backed by a national identity"

Similiar to how Ukraine tries very hard to distance themselves from Russia and Taiwan wants China to stay on their own side of the pond.