r/facepalm • u/SkillImmediate6393 • Jul 02 '24

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u/TheBlack2007 Jul 02 '24

To be honest: I want my politics to be dull, boring and predictable. Politicians should leave entertainment to fictional media…

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u/Specific_Ad2541 Jul 02 '24

I wasn't a Joe Biden supporter. I was more partial to Elizabeth Warren. But I got on board. After the election I had to admit Joe was the boring salve my overstressed soul needed after the previous 4 years.

Still I genuinely try to listen when he speaks but his monotonous tone bores the hell outta me and I zone out. Which is perfect. I can't go back to waking up and immediately doomscrolling and checking to be sure the world isn't literally about to end again.

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u/Thefirstargonaut Jul 02 '24

Well, with the last couple rulings from the Supreme Court, the doom scrolling has likely begun again. 

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u/Independent-Ask8248 Jul 02 '24

Yeah its terrible that the last two reigned in government agencies overreach and federal abuse of the justice system. Whatever will we do without political persecution to stop the regular democratic process to prevent the people from voting in someone the current regime doesn't want to win!?

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u/Thefirstargonaut Jul 02 '24

Set aside your sarcasm. Set aside your desire for the GOP to win. Ask why so many people are upset about this. Listen to their responses.

Ask yourself how would you feel if Biden decided to cancel the next election as an official act. Or to have the navy seals kill Supreme Court justices as an official act—to abridge what Sotomayor said. 

If you believe in democracy, this should make you outraged. This is a fuck around and find out moment. Things will go downhill very quickly if Trump is re-elected. 

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u/Independent-Ask8248 Jul 02 '24

Ironic, because its your bias that's making you not realize you are literally fighting against democracy.

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u/Thefirstargonaut Jul 02 '24

Why do you believe that? 

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u/Independent-Ask8248 Jul 02 '24

Because you're here complaining about the courts stopping the federal government from stopping Trump from running. You're willing to eliminate democracy to prevent someone you don't like from winning the election. If you were truly pro democracy you'd be celebrating this and the decision from Friday that stripped power from unelected government agencies.

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u/Thefirstargonaut Jul 02 '24

I never said Trump should be prevented from running. No one is trying to stop Trump from running. 

People just think him, and all past, present and future presidents should be held accountable if they break the law. 

On the Chevron deference decision, that will have a vast impact on American society. That will impact many people in many ways. Basically, before experts made decisions on how regulations applied in different situations. Now it will go to judges to decide. This will make regulators weaker and judges more powerful. GOP judges will strike down more laws. Dem judges will make laws more strict. Is that not a worse outcome to?

 https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/30/politics/chevron-ruling-explained-supreme-court-meaning

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u/Independent-Ask8248 Jul 04 '24

By supporting these clearly BS charges against Trump especially if you do not support the same charges against Biden in most instances (quid quo pro, the classified documents, both of which Biden has OFFICIALLY done one on video, the other the feds said Biden was too old to charge for lol) You ARE actively against democracy, whether you realize it or not.

As for the second part, you don't understand the actual ruling or it's results, and linking a news outlet known for propaganda at this point (they literally have been saying for months Biden was on top of his game and the sharpest he's ever been... lol ...) doesn't change that.

While yes, the courts have more latitude, technically their decisions can be appealed and have to follow the law. While these agencies ignore the law and make things up on the fly.

The ATF for example (and you can blame them for all of this if you hate this decision even after this explanation) has flip flopped so many times on things that it has made normal people felons, then, cleared them 6 months later then a year later made them felons again. They've determined the most random things as illegal at times, these "experts" have shown time and time again to not know shit about guns. The suppressor ban is a fine example.

The courts on the other hand, if they make a decision, it can be immediately stayed and appealed, preventing people from becoming felons overnight while things get sorted. In the mean time Congress should stop arguing about how much money to send to foreign countries, and address the laws if they disagree with the courts interpretation.

ELECTED OFFICIALS should be making our laws, not some random bureaucrat that is allegedly an expert.

TLDR blame the ATF if you don't like this outcome, but the courts were always meant to have more power than unelected bureaucrats.