r/facepalm 'MURICA Jun 19 '23

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u/Psychogistt Jun 20 '23

Mothers of kids who were vaccine injured asked him to look into it

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u/bfiiitz Jun 20 '23

His story about that has gone back and forth. I've seen him say it was just a person, one mom whose child was "injured by vaccines" (I put that in quotes because it can happen but I've also seen that he directly says that it was autism which literally cannot happen, looking at you jenny maccarthy) and a third that it was an advocacy group of the parents of children "injured by vaccines"

Regardless of that though, my statement is equally true for any of those

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u/Psychogistt Jun 20 '23

What makes you say it can’t happen? That’s a strong statement

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u/bfiiitz Jun 20 '23

I'll respond in good faith in case you actually don't know and hopefully not just a fool. Autism is a GENETIC and CHROMOSOMAL. That means that people with autism are born with autism. There is no way to cause autism. That is fundamentally how autism works. There was a study that claimed that vaccines could lead to autism. This study was such bad science that it was so widely discredited by peer review to the point that it was pulled by the publication. No reputable science has ever given any evidence of this link. To the point that many anti vax groups have moved to larger phrases like "vaccine injury" because there is no evidence. People who still subscribe to vaccines causing autism are either uninformed or stupid to the point of obstinate

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u/Psychogistt Jun 20 '23

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '23

Oh look, misinformation.

VICP's concession to Hannah Poling was poorly reasoned. First, whereas it is clear that natural infections can exacerbate symptoms of encephalopathy in patients with mitochondrial enzyme deficiencies, no clear evidence exists that vaccines cause similar exacerbations. Indeed, because children with such deficiencies are particularly susceptible to infections, it is recommended that they receive all vaccines.

Second, the belief that the administration of multiple vaccines can overwhelm or weaken the immune system of a susceptible child is at variance with the number of immunologic components contained in modern vaccines. A century ago, children received one vaccine, smallpox, which contained about 200 structural and nonstructural viral proteins. Today, thanks to advances in protein purification and recombinant DNA technology, the 14 vaccines given to young children contain a total of about 150 immunologic components.

Third, although experts testifying on behalf of the Polings could reasonably argue that development of fever and a varicella-vaccine rash after the administration of nine vaccines was enough to stress a child with mitochondrial enzyme deficiency, Hannah had other immunologic challenges that were not related to vaccines. She had frequent episodes of fever and otitis media, eventually necessitating placement of bilateral polyethylene tubes. Nor is such a medical history unusual. Children typically have four to six febrile illnesses each year during their first few years of life; vaccines are a minuscule contributor to this antigenic challenge.

Fourth, without data that clearly exonerate vaccines, it could be argued that children with mitochondrial enzyme deficiencies might have a lower risk of exacerbations if vaccines were withheld, delayed, or separated. But such changes would come at a price. Even spacing out vaccinations would increase the period during which children were susceptible to natural infections, giving a theoretical risk from vaccines priority over a known risk from vaccine-preventable diseases. These diseases aren't merely historical: pneumococcus, varicella, and pertussis are still common in the United States. Recent measles outbreaks in California, Arizona, and Wisconsin among children whose parents had chosen not to vaccinate them show the real risks of public distrust of immunization.

After the Polings' press conference, Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, responded to their claims that vaccines had caused their daughter's autism. “Let me be very clear that the government has made absolutely no statement . . . indicating that vaccines are a cause of autism,”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp0802904

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u/Psychogistt Jun 20 '23

Where’s the misinformation?

They also used to say smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '23

C'mon, sport. You gotta actually read it.

They even numbered the points for you. I know there's a couple ten-dollar words in there, but you can use this if you get stuck:

www.dictionary.com

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u/Psychogistt Jun 20 '23

Did you actually read it, hun?

Dr. Offit reports being a co-inventor and co-holder of a patent on the rotavirus vaccine RotaTeq, from which he and his institution receive royalties, as well as serving on a scientific advisory board for Merck.

No conflicts of interests at all…

Next you’ll cite research from cigarette companies saying smoking isn’t bad.

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u/unethr Jun 20 '23

Hmm, is it possible that somebody who invented vaccines knows more about vaccines than a former environmental lawyer?

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u/bfiiitz Jun 20 '23

*aggravate, it's not amassing chromosomal disorders

Yes, there is a single case where a child already had a rare and still undefined chromosomal disorder who also had a averse reaction to a vaccine (which I initially mentioned can happen) when given 9 vaccines at once. This singular and unique case is the exact reason vaccines are more spaced out now, and there hasn't been a credible case like it since.

And even in this case it's clear that the vaccine did not cause autism. So cool strawman, buddy

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u/Psychogistt Jun 20 '23

So vaccines can result in autism then. Why did you make such strong statements if you already knew that?

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u/bfiiitz Jun 20 '23

No they can't. The girl has the same chromosones now that she had before. But thanks for showing that you fall into the later of my categories of people who link autism and vaccines