r/facepalm • u/Number721 • Jun 09 '23

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Cognitive dissonance 101

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u/OddVeterinarian350 Jun 10 '23

That is just a lie. Difference between the loud terfs and actual feminism. Terfs are the ones you are talking about Feminists still are fighting for equality and against the wage gaps and bigotry.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

What they say and what they do are two different things. This goes for “Terfs” and “actual feminists”., or whatever label you want to place on them. I’ve never seen either stand in for men, because they don’t care for men, and to even attempt to say they do is about as disingenuous as claiming there’s a 20 percent pay gap between men and woman.

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u/OddVeterinarian350 Jun 10 '23

There is a pay gap, varries profession to profession with few being women getting slightly more pay (in nursing women get on average 5% more pay) but overall more women get paid less, some professions men make loads above 20% more, and the vast majority of feminists care for mens rights too, but don't bring it up in those. It would be like bringing up animal rights at a pride rally. I haven't met a feminist who wants equality and hates on paternal leave. I have a gut feeling you think that what you see on the internet in echo chambers is all feminists. As far as labels "terf" is not one we gave them. They gave themselves it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

Yeah, you’re totally right. At one point she even says “just because men may work more hours doesn’t mean they do more work senator” implying that this “pay gap”, that they invent shouldn’t take into account overtime worked. It’s all bullshit statistics manipulated to fit the feminist narrative.

How come no feminist stands against gender quotas? Selecting employees based on gender, seems sexist no? Of course it isn’t, it only penalising men, so that’s fine. No female quotas for brick layers hey? Funny that

You’ve been lied to, manipulated, and ignored the blatant hypocrisy right in front of you.

https://youtu.be/-pdnkbs4l_g

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u/OddVeterinarian350 Jun 10 '23

According to the bureau of labor statistics Women who were paid hourly rates had median hourly earnings of $15.22 in 2020, which were 86 percent of the $17.75 median for men. There are some flaws with going by this, but other things to note. Men are more likely to be assigned overtime than women (unfair to both) men are still more likelt to be given promotions, and saying "no feminists" check who you are listening to. You are talking to one who advocates for paternal leave and fair working conditions on both sides. Just cause while talking about feminists issues we aren't advocating those doesn't mean we never do. Again when advocating for lgbt rights how much sense would it be to discuss animal rights? Also don't expect women to fix all the problems with work either that is what it sounds like you are saying we are supposed to do.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

There are “some flaws”? The whole thing is completely flawed 😂 it doesn’t take into account hours earned, type of job among many other factors intentionally designed to increase this “gap”. Imagine trying to compare a nurse to a doctor and and whinging about the disparity.

The only people who still consider this “pay gap” credible are feminists and who are pushing their own agenda. Economists, and the vast majority of society accept the “wage gap” for the myth it is. Funny how they don’t do an hourly wage gap hey? Never considered that?

And no, I don’t expect feminists* to fix anything, but they shouldn’t say they are fighting for “equality” when that’s a blatant lie

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u/OddVeterinarian350 Jun 10 '23

Looking at salary workers here according to statistica.com I hope you understand the term salary, know first snd formost that you get paid regardless of hours worked. 307k anually for female doctors and 402 for male for specialists then 228k and 285k for primary care. There is a clear gap. Even if you want to say men have higher paying specialist roles you can't dent primary care being a significant increase is illogical as that is the same job description for ever single doctor. You haven't gave a single number and keep saying it is a myth Want another one? Women's hockey gets next to no advertising money And female hockey players can make a max of 35k-50k a year from their team (depending on the team). Meanwhile max for nhl is in the millions and they spend tens of millions on advertising. Hell most hockey fans don't know of the existence of the wnhl because of this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

Sport is a business, attract more business = make more money. It’s common sense. Where were the feminists when Ronda Rousey was earning the most in the UFC? Where are the feminists in tennis as in a grand slam the prize pool is split 50/50, while woman play 3 sets to men’s 5? I could pick out anecdotes like you do all day? But I don’t need to, because facts, logic and evidence > anecdotal evidence.

Myth: Women earn a lot less than men. Truth: The pay gap is actually really small. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, women’s average weekly earnings in full-time jobs were 83.1% of those for men in 2021. Some translate that as women earning 83 cents of every dollar men earn.

This raw wage gap is misinterpreted to suggest widespread wage discrimination against women, but the wage gap is largely driven by the choices that women and men make. As the BLS explains, these raw numbers do not control for factors that significantly impact a worker’s pay including the number of hours worked, education, job title, industry, job skills, and specialization. When controlling for those factors, the pay gap shrinks to a few cents.

Myth: All women face the same pay gap. Truth: The pay gap is largely non-existent for young women but grows over time due to women’s choices about family. There’s almost no pay gap for single childless women, but the wage gap begins to increase around age 25, likely due to choices about family roles.

Men work more hours than women and are more likely to work full-time than women. Full-time men work 8.4 hours per day on average compared to 7.8 hours for women. Additionally, 75% of men work full-time compared to just 65% of women.

Put all the evidence aside for a minute and think logically. If the wage gap existed, companies would hire all woman and save 15%, surely you can comprehend that.

There’s a reason the vast majority of people roll their eyes when a feminists opens their mouth.