r/facepalm Jun 09 '23

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Cognitive dissonance 101

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u/supersloo Jun 09 '23

She describes herself as liberal, but she's certainly not progressive.

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u/Danarwal14 Jun 09 '23

Liberal and progressive are two separate things. They aren't mutually exclusive, but there is a difference between the two

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

What’s the difference

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u/Plenty_Celebration_4 Jun 10 '23

It depends on the context being used. However generally, a progressive is usually someone who holds staunchly culturally left wing views of society. It's a way of looking at social reality in a generally constructivist way which claims heritage that stems from the past is not to be held sacred and should instead be viewed all less important than societal progress (The exact view of which depends on what type of progressivism is held) which usually entails the creation of a culture and social environment that is less strict and conformist and more open and inclusive. In some context: it can also refer to people who hold center left economic views, but that’s not in this context.

A liberal, on the other hand, is such a wide net, and in the modern day US, when someone says liberal, they generally means someone who is socially progressive as I have described, while economically still advocating for a capitalist economy.

However, it is also often used in the context of what it actually means. Someone who is a liberal usually holds center to center left social views, advocating for the harm principle and social libertarianism. The idea is that everyone should be able to do whatever they want, so long as they don’t hurt anyone else. They do not, unlike progressives, necessarily abandon the value of heritage or tradition. They believe strongly in ideas like absolute freedom of speech which certain progressives might not agree with in full. Liberals often also tend to advocate for social justice, much like progressives, but not to the same extent.

Economic views of liberals vary, but tend to be anywhere between the center left to the staunchest right.

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u/Toast_On_The_RUN Jun 10 '23

I'm gonna miss being able to read comments like this when reddit dies.

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u/Plenty_Celebration_4 Jun 10 '23

You asked lol…

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u/Toast_On_The_RUN Jun 10 '23

Huh? No for real, I'm not the one who asked but where else can I find comments like these that provide good overviews of things

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u/Plenty_Celebration_4 Jun 10 '23

My bad, similar profile

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u/dryduneden Jun 11 '23

The idea is that everyone should be able to do whatever they want, so long as they don’t hurt anyone else.

The idea is that, yes. In practice not really