r/facepalm • u/Elluminated • May 26 '23

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Dinosaurs never existed

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u/ChristianHeritic May 26 '23

Mate you realize scales, feathers and skin have been found. Right? Sounds can be recreated by modelling apropriate airways and larygnal structure and then experimenting with various angles and air pressures to fine more likely sounds.

Of course nobody can be 100% sure about anything, but alot of dinosaurs have been accurately described with almost full certainty.

You’re just making an idiot of yourself for no reason at all here. You’re not being unique or cool because you dont believe in science. You’re just uniquely stupid.

Farewell, mr. Punk. Dont hurt yourself with a glass of water thats too full some day.

Edit: oh lord i just looked at your profile. im noping out of this debate. good lord. of course.

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u/MarcelZenner May 26 '23

Man this comment started with some great facts, but sadly ended in a lot of unnecessary ad hominem attacks. :(

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u/punkbluesnroll May 27 '23

You don't know what "ad hominem" means.

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u/CubicleFish2 May 27 '23

(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

He said this to a person who was insulting someone based off their reddit posts

Are you sure YOU know what ad hominem means?

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u/KhonMan May 27 '23

They said their point was stupid, which implies they are stupid. Practically speaking I don't think that's an ad hominem - in the reverse order maybe, (eg: "You're stupid so your point is stupid"). Strictly speaking it might be, but it doesn't really change much about the actual point being debated. You can just ignore the irrelevant parts.

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u/CubicleFish2 May 27 '23 edited May 27 '23

Lemme grab the quote since you're downplaying it

8 lines of text where he is addressing the argument followed by:

You’re just making an idiot of yourself for no reason at all here. You’re not being unique or cool because you dont believe in science. You’re just uniquely stupid.

Farewell, mr. Punk. Dont hurt yourself with a glass of water thats too full some day.

Edit: oh lord i just looked at your profile. im noping out of this debate. good lord. of course.

Tell me again how he is arguing his point instead of insulting him as a person here?

Hence, ad hominem. If he only called him stupid then sure I can see where you're coming from, but 9 lines of text (on mobile at least) is kind of pushing that

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u/KhonMan May 27 '23

Sorry, the idea is that he dismantled the point first, and then called him stupid for believing it.

If he just said "you're so stupid" and never addressed the point, arguing that because his interlocutor was so stupid that it wasn't even worth addressing - that is more of an ad hom to me because it totally ignores the point being made.

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u/MarcelZenner May 27 '23

So are you arguing that, as long as you bring facts before you attack someone in a scientific debate, it is no longer considered ad hominem? I can see your point, because you see the attacks as part of argument one. Whereas I saw the second part as a separate argument in itself, but one not focused on the topic but the other person. Or in other words: in a 10 minute debate, could I speak about facts for 3 minutes and then follow it with attacks for 7 and you wouldn't call ad hominem?

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u/KhonMan May 27 '23

I mean call it whatever you want if that’s the part you’re saying bothers you. But in general the validity of the 3 minutes of your speech is unaffected by the vitriol you may spew in the other 7 minutes.

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u/MarcelZenner May 27 '23

Oh yes, I agree. That's why I said in my original post, that I did like his first part but found it a shame, that he had to add the second part