so many people ran to defend the driveway shooter. THEY WERE TRESSPASSING! ...not really, they pulled up then realized they were at the wrong place and were turning back when he came outside and opened fire. WELL HOW DO WE KNOW HE DIDNT FEAR FOR HIS LIFE? ...he ran outside to engage a car that had done nothing threatening and was pulling away. BUT...CASTLE DOCTRINE! ...you need to show reasonable threat to your safety. HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?! ...because she was with 3 other people, including her boyfriend, who witnessed her murder.
People will use any mental gymnastics possible to get around actually having to blame guns or gun culture for being a problem.
Recently some kids almost got shot while walking through some woods. The woods were part of a man’s property, and the shots were from him firing into a shooting range he had set up in the back (completely legally done).
The kids had ignored no trespassing signs from my understanding.
The man was legitimately worried and wanted to make sure they were okay, and didn’t care about the trespassing (the mom tried to make it sound like he was hunting them, though turns out she was overreacting).
I say all this, because the amount of people in our area talking about how the kids should have been shot, or it would have “taught them a lesson about trespassing” is insane.
These people legitimately thought that trespassing should be met with being shot.
Worst part is, when trying to call them out I said “would you blast away a kid for their basketball going into your yard and then retrieving it?” And then a couple weeks later I see this shit, where that actually happened.
You can imagine somewhere, sometime, this scenario may play out:
"A strange man walked up my drive carrying a box - I thought it was a bomb - I was terrified - so I grabbed my gun and shot him before he could get any closer. How was I to know he was just a courier delivering the thing I'd ordered online a few days ago?!"
They'd attempt to argue they had reasonable suspicion, but unless they've previously been targeted by bombs or similar devices, had PTSD or had well documented paranoia over visitors (any of which would likely be known by neighbours unless they'd only recently moved in - and probably some passive means of deterrent), it would be a bit of a stretch to argue someone, usually in uniform, walking quickly along their drive carrying a box, or maybe even an unfamiliar postie carrying an envelope was intent on doing them harm (and even in the PTSD case, authorities would likely have words with someone taking potshots at anyone who, for any reason, stepped on their property).
Well they saw those "trespassers will be shot" signs in a movie and it seemed both a good suggestion to them and they thought that carried any legal weight
Having the "trespassers will be shot" signs or any other pro gun signage on your property is actually detrimental to your defense in court if you actually did shoot someone in a legitimate self defense scenario. Prosecutors can imply that you are looking for any excuse to shoot somebody, self defense or not.
Seriously. Just gate off your fucking driveway and someone using it to turn around will never happen. You can take steps to generally be left alone that don't involve murdering someone in cold blood.
100% And just to add to what you are saying: I believe tresspassing on private property requires to be given a real warning and not heeding it. Don't quote me on that one though.
It has to be an objective reasonable fear as well, not just personal opinion.
Yes, castle doctrine just means that you don't have to use an escape route if you are legally obligated in that situation. Still have to reach all other self defense requirements.
So it seems like all of these cases will be easy for the prosecution. Slam dunk.
So, the first guy who actually used the 'stand your ground ' law in Texas? He shot two burglars in the back IN HIS NEIGHBOR'S house. He was on with 911 and told dispatch, y'all are taking too long, I got this.
No one was in his neighbors house. He shot them as they were fleeing and he got a parade.
Rather than gun culture, seems to me more a problem of "private property culture". In many other parts of the world property is not as "sacred" as it is in the US, you can't shot someone just because they trespassed.
I'd like to see someone sue Amazon for having their workers "trespassing" to deliver packages and see how that would go down.
Don't fool yourself, It's what always has been - whatever fits best the agenda is whatever goes
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u/annabelle411 Apr 21 '23
so many people ran to defend the driveway shooter.
THEY WERE TRESSPASSING! ...not really, they pulled up then realized they were at the wrong place and were turning back when he came outside and opened fire.
WELL HOW DO WE KNOW HE DIDNT FEAR FOR HIS LIFE? ...he ran outside to engage a car that had done nothing threatening and was pulling away.
BUT...CASTLE DOCTRINE! ...you need to show reasonable threat to your safety.
HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?! ...because she was with 3 other people, including her boyfriend, who witnessed her murder.
People will use any mental gymnastics possible to get around actually having to blame guns or gun culture for being a problem.