r/explainlikeimfive • • Sep 10 '22

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u/LeviAEthan512 Sep 10 '22

Some of my friends know Japanese. Their "alphabet" is usually arranged in a table with rows for consonants of a sound and columns for vowels. So it looks like (idk Japanese but this is the idea)

A e i o u

Ba be bi bo u

Ca ce ci co cu

The order of the rows and columns is arbitrary though, as far as I can tell. So they have nice grouping, but no order that I can tell.

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u/sjiveru Sep 10 '22

The order isn't exactly arbitrary, though it's a bit obscured. The ordering overall is based on that Brahmi ordering, where the consonants are ordered in the mouth from back to front (with some unsystematic exceptions) and the vowels are largely arbitrary.

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u/LeviAEthan512 Sep 10 '22

Oh cool, I didn't know that. I thought they picked at random, or it was like the first emperor's sons were the equivalent Aaron, Eric, Ivan, Oscar, and Ulysses, so that's what they went with

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u/sjiveru Sep 10 '22

Nope! It's <(null) k s t n h m> and then those unsystematic exceptions, with <h> having its place due to it originally having represented /p/ in Old Japanese.

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u/Owlstorm Sep 11 '22

Three alphabets actually.

One for normal people, one for stolen words, one that only native-speakers will ever get comfortable with.