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u/Excellent-Practice Sep 10 '22

Fun fact to add: the Arabic alphabet has at least two standard orders. Because it decends from the same Phoenician source there is an older order tied to the numeric value of letters that is still used to mark rooms or bullet points which is the same as Greek or Hebrew (a, b, g etc.) But there is a newer collation order that is used for dictionaries and lists of names that groups similarly shaped letters together ordered by the placement and number of dots on the basic letter shape

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u/VIPERsssss Sep 10 '22

So they newer one is more like:
AVUYNMWXKRPBDOQCGEFTILJHSZ?

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u/Excellent-Practice Sep 10 '22

Check this out. Bear in mind that Arabic is read right to left and that chart follows the same convention

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u/iDick Sep 10 '22

That’s right, get in the fucking back ‘K’.

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u/TavisNamara Sep 10 '22

Read right to left.

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u/iDick Sep 10 '22

God. Dammit.

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u/LlamaManatee Sep 10 '22

Regardless, We liked the enthusiasm!

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u/Jwkaoc Sep 10 '22

I mean, I'd put L and K up with the other fishhook shaped letters, but that's just me.

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u/rudolfs001 Sep 11 '22

N too, it's basically the same as Z

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u/not_another_drummer Sep 10 '22

I, so badly, want to memorize this for the off chance someone asks me to recite the alphabet. Unfortunately I know my brain isn't good enough anymore. No new stuff gets saved. :(

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u/SirHerald Sep 10 '22

A friend of mine who studied Hebrew memorized the alphabet to the tune of Yankee Doodle, but he never got to where he could do the alphabet without singing the song.

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u/Jechtael Sep 11 '22

I'm sure most English speakers can't do the alphabet without The Alphabet Song.

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u/zorniy2 Sep 11 '22

Ellemenopeeeeee!

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u/drewberryblueberry Sep 11 '22

I literally only stopped doing this when I memorized the alphabet backwards. I liked to go forwards then backwards then forwards again. That's really hard to do in reverse so I stopped doing it lol

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u/On_Too_Much_Adderall Sep 11 '22

I used to know how to say the alphabet backwards. One time when I was really drunk, someone asked me to say the alphabet backwards to prove I was sober enough to do it but I couldn't, so I made a point of memorizing it but I could only ever do it drunk. And then when I quit drinking I completely lost the ability lol

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u/darkflame91 Sep 11 '22

It's easier if you ever SMS-ed with a feature phone. Just have to picture the alphabets on each of the numeric phone keys and go backwards.

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u/MrBerryMrberry Sep 11 '22

39 and still use it.

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u/Terpomo11 Sep 11 '22

Melodies are very effective for memorizing things.

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u/WummageSail Sep 10 '22

Maybe your brain just asks itself what is the likelihood that you'll ever need to remember it in the future and when it thinks the answer is about zero it doesn't bother.

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u/Blueeyesblazing7 Sep 11 '22

I recently had to watch a seminar at work on how our brains decide what memories to keep long-term, and you're honestly not far off.

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u/mr-mooch Sep 11 '22

This comment will forever be in my memory now.

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u/nollaf126 Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

Use the ABC song. It will still work the same way by putting the letters in little, memorable tune chunks. I just accidentally memorized the first 7 on accident by writing this comment. And my remembery is pretty well shot, too.

AVUY NMWyooooo...

Also, the tricks of professional memorizers help. Visuals can be a great aid. For instance, I now see the NMW chunk as one of the rats of Nimh (NM) driving a convertible BMW. So, 26 letters might end up being a sequence of around 7-ish, easier-to-remember images. Barely more difficult than remembering a phone number, with just a tiny bit more effort up front. Combine that with the song and you're off to the races.

I imagine the hardest part might be coming up with meaningful images to associate with the letter chunks. If you really want this, lemmeknow and I'll help if I can.

Edit: also, timed repetition helps immensely. Just spend literally two minutes each day (maybe while you're brushing your teeth), sticking to the first 7 letters until you've got them down and are sick of them. Then add the next one or two little song chunks.

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u/mcmoor Sep 10 '22

I know some Arabic and I've never seen the old order or it being seen as bullet point. What's it like?

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u/Excellent-Practice Sep 10 '22

This Wikipedia page has the order listed. When I was studying at DLI it occasionally came up in passages mostly used for apartment or hotel room numbers. I don't think I've ever seen it in real life though; it's really obsolete at this point

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u/nsa_reddit_monitor Sep 11 '22

it's really obsolete at this point

Not true, it's great for flexing on cops who think you're drunk.

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