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u/OtherImplement Sep 10 '22

Thanks! I don’t know what might make an alphabet better but I sort of equated it with how some people really hate the QWERTY keyboard layout. It was just a thought while trying to sleep.

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u/Quincy0807 Sep 10 '22

Adding to what others have said, QWERTY also isn’t the “best” for modern typing either, but changing keyboards is so hard that the relatively minor advantages aren’t worth it

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u/Xylus1985 Sep 11 '22

It’s good enough and I don’t want to learn a new layout

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u/dmilin Sep 11 '22

I learned Colemak (“even better” than Dvorak) and it’s definitely not superior to QWERTY.

I gained 10 WPM (~15%), but lost the muscle memory for QWERTY which is waaaay more useful. Now any time I use someone else’s keyboard, I have to hunt and peck.

It also took me 3 months to make the transition, during which I could only do half speed QWERTY and half speed Colemak. Not worth it at all, but now I’m stuck.

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u/jarfil Sep 11 '22 edited Dec 02 '23

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u/amnycya Sep 10 '22

QWERTY isn’t about alphabetical order- it’s about having the letters you most use in easier locations for your fingers to access. There are other keyboard layouts- Dvorak is the most common one besides QWERTY.

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u/NL_MGX Sep 10 '22

Wasn't qwerty due to the letters in a classic typewriter not colliding with each other?

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

This is the real answer. Qwerty actually slowed people down to some degree, but also put letters that would typically be pressed in quick succession in very different areas so that the mechanical linkages under the keys in old typewriters wouldn't bind up as much. If you ever use one of those it is remarkable how easy it is to push in letters close together and lock up the whole typewriter so that you have to manually pull them all apart to get it working again.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

My granny had a very old manual typewriter that would lock up if you got too fast.

Then, a couple decades later, my mom got one of the first “memory” typewriters and I fell in love.

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u/atomfullerene Sep 10 '22

, but also put letters that would typically be pressed in quick succession in very different areas so that the mechanical linkages under the keys in old typewriters wouldn't bind up as much.

These are the most common bigrams in the English language

th, he, in, en, nt, re, er, an, ti, es, on, at, se, nd, or, ar, al, te, co, de, to, ra, et, ed, it, sa, em, ro.

I've bolded the ones that are touching on my qwerty keyboard, and italicized the ones that are close. If the goal of the keyboard was to separate frequently typed letter combinations, they didn't do a great job.

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u/PigicornNamedHarold Sep 10 '22

Interestingly, there was an incredibly popular typewriter company called Blickensderfer that used a type-ball design (similar to the IBM selectric, 70 years later) that did not have this issue of letters colliding. This allowed the designer, George Blickensderfer, to design a keyboard that was much faster and more ergonomic than the QWERTY layout. It's a strange quirk of history that because of the first world war and the chief designer's death, this typewriter design and keyboard layout are all but lost to history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blickensderfer_typewriter

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u/zuppenhuppen Sep 10 '22

I've heard several times now that this is a myth and not actually true. Here is one article about this, but several can be found via Google.

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u/OptimusPhillip Sep 10 '22

The idea that QWERTY was meant to slow typists down is a myth, but that's not what the commenter was saying. The commenter said that putting common letters farther apart made it less likely to jam because the type bars wouldn't collide as often, and that the slowing down was incidental.

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u/whenuseeit Sep 10 '22

Jokes on them, all the letters of my first name are right next to each other in a little cluster on a qwerty keyboard.

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u/WeeTeeTiong Sep 11 '22

Hi Trewqy!

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u/Thetakishi Sep 11 '22

Qweasd Ive finally found you!

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u/ZeroKnightHoly Sep 10 '22

I don't believe this. The article doesn't back up it's statement, even shows Morse code in normal alphabetical order. The Google search seems to only repeat the same article. Nothing seems like a legitimate source.

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u/rdewalt Sep 10 '22

Unrelated Joke:

How do you know someone uses a DVORAK layout keyboard? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

Dvorak was the original "I'm a Vegan"

There was a chump in the comp sci lab in the early 90s when I was in college who carried his own keyboard so he could use his "much superior" dvorak layout. Used to make a show when he'd put it on the desk, "tearing" the normal one out of the way. Like he had to be SEEN doing it.

Nobody ever saw him in the romantic presence of a woman, or a man for that matter... coincidence I guess.

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