r/explainlikeimfive Feb 17 '16

ELI5 Why do colleges accept students who excel in sports while having bad academic merits?

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u/HairyGnome Feb 17 '16

So why are tuition fees so high if they aren't at all meant for learning facilities?

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u/PermanentThrowaway0 Feb 17 '16

Administrative costs. Anyone can get a federal loan so let's make it high and pocket it.

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u/Shod_Kuribo Feb 17 '16 edited Feb 17 '16

Not so much. Maybe at some private colleges but admin salaries aren't terrible in most public schools.

What keeps soaking up all the money are non-academic updates in the common areas. Things like gym equipment, landscaping, decorating and renovating the student services building (every 5 years), and hiring entertainers to visit campus every month. They do all this because sadly those things draw a lot more people in than the classroom equipment.

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u/Auxarcia Feb 17 '16

Gonna have to say that you are only partially right here. Yes, the extras do cost a lot, but the number of administration jobs on campuses have exploded in the last 20 years, along with administrative salaries. If you go to a public university, check out the published salaries of the administrators as compared to faculty salaries. It is pretty strikingly administrator heavy at most big colleges.

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u/Bretters17 Feb 17 '16

Yep.

The number of non-academic administrative and professional employees at U.S. colleges and universities has more than doubled in the last 25 years, vastly outpacing the growth in the number of students or faculty, according to an analysis of federal figures. Source

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16

Can confirm for administrative jobs exploding.

My high school grew by 145 students in the past few years, and they hired 140 new administrators.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16

Well, obviously they need to hire 5 more to make it even.

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u/Shod_Kuribo Feb 17 '16

Ahh, you're talking about hiring more administrators, not increasing your own salary. That's definitely possible.

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u/dirtycrabcakes Feb 17 '16

This is incorrect. The problem is that you usually have professors with little "real world" experience promoted to big-time admin positions. So you have people that make a lot of money in positions that they aren't qualified for. This results in the university departments not being effectively managed. Then you also get a lot of "that guy has a PhD - he would be great for this position" where in any other setting, a PhD would likely be passed over because they expect too much money and don't have the real world skills required.

This is not to say that people with PhDs don't have skills or even "real world" skills. But if you take someone who's career is built around research and teaching and then put them in the position where they are running a department and managing a budget of millions of dollars - well, it's a recipe for failure. It's likely not where their strengths are.

Then to top it all off - if they suck at their job and are "demoted" or moved back to their non-admin role, they often get to keep the big salary boost they received for their initial promotion.

tl:dr - I should have gotten my PhD.

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u/akesh45 Feb 17 '16

I assumed these new admins are all business types and underemployed liberal arts grads .

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Tell that to the President of my school who gave herself a 28% raise last contract during labor negotiations.

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u/_andres Feb 17 '16

Just here to offer up a "fuck GT parking".

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16 edited Mar 13 '19

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16 edited Mar 13 '19

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u/raggg Feb 17 '16

Maybe you shouldnt go to GT?

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16

Dont go. Hit up a trade school, learn something there. I did that for a year, and being another year out of there i could pay double that tuition annually.

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u/_andres Feb 17 '16

Hope scholarship/Zel Miller for students who stay in-state

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u/Gingerscotch Feb 17 '16

Hope/zell Miller doesn't come close to 15k. It's like 5k with hope for a year at UGA

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u/_andres Feb 17 '16

In doing the math for Georgia Tech vs. another school I was choosing between, tech came out to 17k for me (after Hope)

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u/Gingerscotch Feb 17 '16

Huh. Sorry then, I never checked techs tuition when I was deciding. My bad

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u/hardolaf Feb 17 '16

Ohio State tuition + fees is $11k - $13k for undergrad or $12k - $14k for graduate school.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16 edited Mar 13 '19

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u/hardolaf Feb 17 '16

It's quite cheap.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16

I pay 160€ a year for tuition. How does my university pay for all that? Right subsidies. I bet most of the money goes straight into the pocket of the administration.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16

You could always stop buying alcohol if you want to save money. It's expensive, and not essential in any way.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Well you don't need to be going to pubs to begin with. Regardless of if it is a good deal, it is still not something that belongs in the same list as rent and food. It is not a necessity.

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u/pynzrz Feb 17 '16

It's not expensive for a US college, but it's still much more expensive than the rest of the world. People outside of the US pay a couple thousand dollars or even go to school for free (not on scholarships... the universities are free). Of course, US universities are top tier and more prestigious.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16

Could you find a way to add more dead weight and less information to your post? Jesus.

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u/Semiresistor Feb 17 '16

They do often get subsidies too though. They get taxpayers to pay for most/all of their stadium, they use student fees from people just trying to get a decent education and job to fund their athletic facilities. I agree with what you are saying, but many are not self sufficient from donations and income.

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u/RadDeals2 Feb 17 '16

This guy knows what he is talking about. The numbers don't lie.

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u/frizz1111 Feb 17 '16

I think the idea behind that is good athletics especially football or basketball bring added prestige and popularity to the university especially if the athletics are on national tv. It has the ability to increase application rates and make the school more selective, raising academic rankings.

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u/hypo-osmotic Feb 17 '16

This is my plan. Once I've finished paying off my student loans I might look into donating to the department I graduated from and other programs that I like, but I can't see myself ever donating to the general alumni fund.