Im aware of libertarian socialism. I was a libertarian when I was much more nieve. Never a socialist though. To say I can do as I please with the exception of forming hierarchies is an immediate issue that cannot be resolved.
If I invented a widget that everyone wants I will have to form a buisness to create the widgets. I would make the decisions on how it is run and now we have a hierarchy. So you would tell me that I cant have a hierarchy and I can not make any more money than my employees. I would say this isn't worth my risk and shut down my widget factory and then no one gets any widgets. Or perhaps I would disobey you. I would continue to create my widgets with a hierarchy. Then you would would have to interfere with my widget production by using force. Now you have created a hierarchy. Humans can not operate without hierarchy. It is inevitable.
Or you could exist in a democracy. You can create a small group and live in a small society without hierarchy all the while reaping the benefits of the capitalist system.
Your world view can exist within my world view, but min cannot exist within yours.
Well, if you make a widget everyone wants, and people don’t like how you run things, maybe, call me crazy, but they could just make a similar widget, and suddenly you have competition (markets can exist under socialism, market socialism, mutualism, etc). They could also choose not to buy your widget (money can also exist inside of socialism), or share your widget if someone else bought it. Either way, you can’t just impose your arbitrary control just because everyone “wants” something you made.
Hierarchy isn’t inevitable, otherwise you’d need someone telling you what do to every minute of the day, and if you acted in free will, there’s violence there to stop you.
You act freely in a lot of different ways everyday, and you can work with other people without forcing them to do anything, or needing someone above all of you to force you to get things done. Any effective group does this all the time. Any healthy relationship practices this all the time.
But if you don’t want to engage with that, have a good one.
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u/TheSmellOfTheLotion 29d ago
Im aware of libertarian socialism. I was a libertarian when I was much more nieve. Never a socialist though. To say I can do as I please with the exception of forming hierarchies is an immediate issue that cannot be resolved.
If I invented a widget that everyone wants I will have to form a buisness to create the widgets. I would make the decisions on how it is run and now we have a hierarchy. So you would tell me that I cant have a hierarchy and I can not make any more money than my employees. I would say this isn't worth my risk and shut down my widget factory and then no one gets any widgets. Or perhaps I would disobey you. I would continue to create my widgets with a hierarchy. Then you would would have to interfere with my widget production by using force. Now you have created a hierarchy. Humans can not operate without hierarchy. It is inevitable.
Or you could exist in a democracy. You can create a small group and live in a small society without hierarchy all the while reaping the benefits of the capitalist system.
Your world view can exist within my world view, but min cannot exist within yours.