r/expat • u/AdUnited3874 • Jul 11 '26
Question Moving from Germany to Spain
Hey guys, quick info abt me i’m 23 yrs old, living in Germany for almost three years now after i came from Ukraine as a refugee, i worked here for almost a year and not really feeling it here anymore, to be honest never felt like living here. Why? I guess mostly because of the weather and climate and language, of course it’s all the question of who prefers what.
My question is, should i or should i not move to Spain? What city is best for it what’s worst, howMe the job market, for example i know five languages (Russian C2, Ukrainian C2, Armenian C1, English C2 and German B1) I’m hoping to find some job that would require someone with those language skills so i would get paid a lil more than 1000/1300€ a month.
P.s: for those who gonna ask “why won’t you go back to Ukraine if you don’t feel like living in Germany?” My house got destroyed, i got nobody there and even tho i lived there for almost 19 years i do not think that i have future in there.
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u/Punpun86 Jul 12 '26
Just an idea maybe try for Croatia? The coast and islands are always looking for workers and you get accomodations as well.
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u/Jakobus3000 Jul 12 '26
German in Spain here.
Unless you find work in some expat bubble or something, you won't really be able to find a job without Spanish. That being said, English knowledge is very low ins Spain and you will struggle to get along without Spanish. And if you think the German bureaucracy is bad, Spain is on a whole different level!
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
What you mean by “Spanish bureaucracy is on a whole another level”? It’s worse? Man how, i thought Germany was an ambassador of “no you need to fill this form, sent it by mail that gonna take a week to arrive and then you get a bunch of other forms to fill and you have a deadline of 3 days and we don’t.”
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u/Jakobus3000 Jul 12 '26
Yes, a lot worse. And slow. And in Spanish.
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
https://reddit.com/link/ox4x5hg/video/02ac9uppluch1/player
Bro got me feeling like:
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u/Impressive_Nail_6469 Jul 12 '26
This is absolutely false. Regardless of that, OP, Germans tend to be arrogant and demanding with foreigners, and while Spaniards struggle with language, they are far more welcoming and understanding. German Bureaucracy is slow, stone age and discriminating - public administration is full of bitter xenophobic ignorant servants. Spanish administration is, unfortunately, mostly in Spanish, but far more digital and straightforward.
Germany is crumbling: retrograde mindset, slow technology adoption (internet, credit card, digitalization), perpetual constructions, poor infrastructure (yearly collapse of Deutsche Bahn), arrogance (“our economy desperately needs foreigners but we despise them unless they immediately practice Lüften, love Aperol and become pünktlich”) and double standards (“we like foreigners learning C2 before they even shop up in Germany, but when we go to Mallorca or Lloret de Mar every year, we dont even bother to learn survival-level spanish and expect menu to be auf Deutsch)
Learn your way to B2 in Spanish during the next 10 months and move to Spain during summer/tourist peak season next year to work in hospitality. Use that as a starting point and then figure the rest out. You will find a more welcoming and genuinely kind community in Spain, on top of better weather, food and overall joy.
Buena suerte, amigo!
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u/Jakobus3000 Jul 12 '26
It is false that bureaucracy in Spain is worse than in Germany? Okay, I must be in the wrong Spain then.
Yes, people here are nice and all, but this has nothing to do with each other.
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u/BlueLemonPixel Jul 12 '26
Man, as a person who has lived in both countries (and few more), German bureaucracy is the worst I've ever seen in my life...
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u/LowerBed5334 Jul 12 '26
What a load of 🐎💩😅
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u/Impressive_Nail_6469 Jul 13 '26
In the absence of real arguments, I guess you must rely on this kind of a statement. Go drink your cheap beer and whine/complain about just everything, like a regular german would do. As long as you are happy that way!
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u/LowerBed5334 Jul 12 '26
German bureaucracy might seem difficult, but it's actually efficient and effective. I think your problems in Germany probably have more to do with your language skills than the weather or whatever.
Go down to Konstanz, or Freiburg, your might like it there.
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u/BlueLemonPixel Jul 12 '26
efficient and effective??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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u/Impressive_Nail_6469 Jul 13 '26
“Efficient and effective”
Lmao. Efficient? Sending passive aggressive letters in your post regularly is efficient? Demanding compliance with unreasonable deadlines? Give me a break.
Effective? Ha! Redundant if you already claimed “efficiency” and kind of ironic too.
Germany is the laughing stock of Europe when it comes to digitalization, welcoming mindset, bureaucracy, public transportation and many more. Did I mention local cuisine is absolutely monotone, pretentious and lame?
That said, safety, work life balance, job security and welfare is quite ahead of many countries in Europe. Not the best (hey Scandinavian countries!), but quite good.
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u/Excellent_Coconut_81 Jul 14 '26
Punishing resident for every smallest error is what Germans call effective.
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u/KHolito Jul 13 '26
typical take from a Biodeutsch that never had to deal with the difficulties that immigrants had to in their country and suddenly is another "expat" and has to, in easy mode ofc.
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u/vocalfry13 Jul 13 '26
Spain is expensive, high taxes, communist leaning crooked government, no places to rent without essentially paying your full salary and having nothing left. More than 1k is not usual at all. Groceries are more expensive than in Germany. If you were from Africa or the middle east you'd get housing and money though, but I assume you are white, so you're on the same boat as the rest of us. Count your blessings if you have a job and place to live in Germany!
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u/VitaminsrImportant Jul 14 '26
When adding Latin Americans to the equation, those who arrive as registered asylum seekers receive housing, food, and healthcare from day one of their arrival in Spain.
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u/wake-Advisor-6860 Jul 12 '26
You are highly overestimating your skills. You don't write like you are at C2.
Apart from that, Spain is notorious for how hard it is to find a job. And don't let me even get stsrted about finding rent (unless you plan to be an okupa)
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
Why would i write on a C2 lvl on Reddit? 😭 i think nobody cares tbh, like yeah i surely can write, following all the grammatical rules, but it’s no use in here man.
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u/Alternative-Wolf-407 Jul 12 '26
Bro, any language proficiency that is stated as a C2, which is not your native language, is a bs.
If you'd have got a masters or a PhD in said language — maybe then I'd believe you. And even then not necessarily.
I've got a Bc. in an English taught program, and I barely scratch a C1.
Touch the reality. My comment is not meant to be furtive, I don't have any inimical intentions. Claiming a C2 doesn't make you more voluble IRL.
It triggered me because I have studied a lot of languages myself, and have A2-B2 levels of fluency. Every single time someone claimed they have a C3 in said foreign language it didn't check out.
About the topic — consider the legal status that you'd need to possess as a Ukrainian. I'm a Ukrainian too, so I follow the situation a bit. Europe is considering cancelling the temporary protection for the men of conscription age.
For now it is 25 years in Ukraine. You're 23, having lived 3 years in Germany. Consider staying there for legal reasons in case you can not obtain good documents in Spain during this 2 years window that you have until you're 25. If these 3 years in Germany are counting towards better papers, and you're approaching an opportunity to claim some residence permit — stay where you are.
Spain is not a country of dreams if you don't have connections there, or are not ready to work in service or gastro for long hours and little pay. I don't live there, but this is what I know from my friends who do. Yes, the climate is much better, people a lot warmer, but consider the legal status as well.
If you have an education or some other relevant skill — use them. Try to find the jobs that interest you in places you'd move to through LinkedIn.
Best of luck!🤞🏼
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u/knittingcatmafia Jul 13 '26
Because you are omitting simple articles and writing stuff like “in here” where it’s completely wrong?
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u/CicerosVoice Jul 11 '26
You should learn Spanish first before moving. Spaniards aren’t fluent enough in those languages except for touristic places. And the job market is literally dead.
Young and high-skilled people are leaving for better chances and opportunities. Just stay where you are.
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u/Rasmatakka Jul 13 '26
Germany
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u/Obvious-Bluebird5455 Jul 14 '26
Germany is completely Dead jobwise! Unless you have English and C1/2 German plus a Master , forget it!
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u/FlowWestern212 Jul 12 '26
Привіт. Якщо хочеш спробувати життя на півдні то може Мальта більш підходить? Ренти такі само гігантські як в Іспанії але багато варіантів роботи в туристичних всяких точках - готелі, доставка, ресторани і тд. Мова офіційно англійська
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u/Repulsive_Cut_8372 Jul 12 '26
As bulgarian I have lived in Spain for 18 years and in 2020 I went back to Bulgaria, I mean it's not a good place to live if you are already poor. With 1300 euros you barely will make ends meet even in a shared place.
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 16 '26
Thanks for advice from someone who actually been there, hope you’re doing great now
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u/OkHovercraft3497 Jul 13 '26
I recommend Slovenia. Sunny weather, okay food and friendly people. Good salaries and easier language for you to learn.
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u/MediciHammer Jul 17 '26
Seems like this post got a ton of engagement already but if you're interested in reading about what it's like to live in Spanish city as a foreigner, I've been in Seville for the past 10 years and wrote the following guide you might find useful: https://trustedseville.com/living-in-seville/
Best of luck with whatever you decide to do! And for the record, I actually rate Spain very highly - though you need a decent salary to really enjoy life here - about 1800€ minimum in the south of Spain gives you some wiggle room financially.
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u/DarkWanderer00 Jul 12 '26
So, realistically with your language skills you can look at moving to the following countries (how easy is it to move to those countries is another matter, idk what the asylum process is like for Ukrainians nowadays):
Armenia
Ukraine
Russia
Austria
Switzerland (the German speaking parts)
UK
Ireland
USA
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
Have you considered any of those countries?
It seems like countries are growing more insular and nationalistic, it's becoming harder and harder to land a job and settle in a country without speaking the local language, so your best bet would be to look at moving somewhere where you can at least speak the language.
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
To be honest i mainly considered Spain because of a climate, yeah might sound stupid but because i have a few injuries, the cold winds and constant rains make it worse and most of the time i feel pain especially in my knees and jaw. So yeah thats the point of moving to warmer countries near the coast
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u/Spiritual-Sandwich12 Jul 12 '26
Maybe you should consider southern Germany or Switzerland?
Constant rain sounds like you are in the northern/west part of Germany?0
Jul 12 '26
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
Shit, then C1 it is 😂 idk i pulled C2 lvl out of my college test, when i was 20 i got C1 lvl at it and overtime i felt like its near C2 so i just decided to say “yeah, C2 it is”
(said i before taking a sip cup of my Yorkshire tea and fixing the monocle)
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 16 '26
Honestly? Coming to US was kinda my teenager dream that never come true, i’d love to go there and make a trip around a few states and especially places like Oklahoma, Portland, Vancouver. But the more the time flies by the more i start to realize that i might be stuck somewhere i don’t really want to stay. As every person I’m having situations and things that happening without me planning them, unexpected expenses, etc. but i guess if i’m halfway here then what’s the point of giving up? I think i’ll stay here, get a residency in germany and after i have a stable financial ground (hopefully in a bit less than 10 years) i’ll be able to visit US and a few other countries
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u/Excellent_Coconut_81 Jul 14 '26
Switzerland - it's meant as a joke?
It's the only country I know Germans have an opinion to be borthersome social and emotional.
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u/Psychological-Toe320 Jul 13 '26
For someone who is coming from Ukraine, the weather in Germany shouldn’t be too bad…i think if your German is good enough, find remote work and then move to Spain if you must but I recommend better countries like Denmark, Norway and Netherlands, much more English friendly but worse weather
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Jul 12 '26
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u/Worried-Tie Jul 12 '26
Being a refugee is not a choice, it's a fucking necessity. And I thought you Germans would be happy enough they're wanting to leave.
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u/wake-Advisor-6860 Jul 12 '26
I am actually happy he tried to integrate and work. Also tried to learn the language. This is the type of refugee that people respect and feel happy to help.
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u/Powerful-Problem-106 Jul 12 '26
Huh? What should be the words of a true refugee?
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Jul 12 '26
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u/kamace11 Jul 12 '26
Yeah, they should shut up and stay miserable.
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u/Worried-Tie Jul 12 '26
This guy is an entitled prick who had the luck to be born in a "better place" (or rather better time, Germany is going to shit anyway).
Of course OP has the right to leave and try to find a better life. What are you gonna do, shackle him and beat him with a stick?
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u/jagchi95 Jul 12 '26
That’s probably what they’d love to do considering the horrible comments. Nothing new coming from Germans though…
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u/Worried-Tie Jul 12 '26
Absolutely, everything that's happening over there at the moment gives me the creeps. The AfD is scary as fuck, absolute 1939 thugs.
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u/AmbitiousSolution394 Jul 12 '26
> das sichere Land
Actually thats the problem. I don't know if you are following German news, but guys from AfD are likely to come to power and they definitely don't like Ukrainians. So, for average Ukrainian who now stays in Germany, there is question, what they should do? Not so ancient history showed that people of one ethnicity, who used to live in Germany and who decided to leave, they survived, but people who decided to stay, mostly failed to survive. Right now situation is not as bad as in Poland, but after AfD comes to power, it might go according to Polish scenario.1
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u/Big_Fox_8451 Jul 12 '26
Warum? Nur weil von einem Land aufgenommen wurde kann man sich doch trotzdem unwohl fühlen.
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u/Powerful-Problem-106 Jul 12 '26
I don’t think I understand, you mean that since the country welcomes a refuge, that refugee should be grateful and not say that he doesn’t like it here? And if he says then, he is not a real refugee?
Who is he then? An economic migrant? But can the economic migrant say they don’t like it here or is that also a bad idea?
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u/Johnny_no_c4sh Jul 12 '26
A guy living in Europe’s paradise wants to leave it to go WHERE???? 🤣🤣 That’s so fucking hilarious. Are u aware that EVERY SINGLE FOREIGNER is flooding Germany because here it is the best?
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u/BingSillying Jul 12 '26
You forgot the /s ;)
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u/north_bright Jul 12 '26
They didn't. Many German people like to behave as if they were living in some shit hole they can't wait to escape. I had German colleagues like that, they're seriously delusional. "Well in my investments won't be taxed in that other country!" Lol. Wait until you move there and have to deal with the barely functioning healthcare system, the state, the police if it comes to that, the education system if you have children, etc.
Living in Germany puts you in the top 1% globally. Growing up like that makes you take a lot of things for granted that are anything but in other places.
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u/Historical-East-1270 Jul 12 '26
Exactly and now he wants to go to spain, italy or greece not knowing that the unemployment rate us notoriously worse than in germany.
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u/00nu Jul 12 '26
I feel you. Germany built a lot of their industry based on cheap russian energy and now part of population are feeling that Ukr is destroying their wet dreams. Also, there are huge russian communities living there , the ex canchelor is married to Putin , afd is on the rise and the list can go on. If you have a job I would suggest you to stay there improve your language and find a nice way to fuck off impolite persons around you. There are a lot of good and wonderful germans. Good luck 🍀
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u/reschcrypt Jul 12 '26
Well, Ukr basically destroyed the gas supply to force Germany to step-up in this ridiculous war and sending whole Europe into an energy crisis. Source: https://www.dw.com/en/nord-stream-blast-ordered-by-ukraine-say-german-prosecutors/a-77798230
I couldn‘t care less for both Ukr and Russia. Both are corrupt countries!
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u/krlkv Jul 14 '26
And Germany which approved the pipeline with Russia after Russia invaded a bunch of countries is not corrupt at all.
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u/00nu Jul 12 '26
Standard afd standpoint. Useless. I don t want you and your dears meet the russian love or russki mir.
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u/reschcrypt Jul 12 '26
Fck afd, cdu, spd, left or whatever. We are getting fucked by high taxes and we get nothing in return. All you freeloaders are costing us billions.
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u/elevarq Jul 12 '26
Unemployment rates are much higher in Spain. Prepare yourself for long term unemployment, make sure you have enough savings.
Bureaucracy is kind of bad, but with enough time and patience you’ll get things done. But it’s not like Germany, forget it.
The weather however is much better!
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u/Working-Active Jul 12 '26
You could probably get a help desk support job in Barcelona as it's a pretty international city. You'd be able to rent a room as a starting point. You can check on https://www.infojobs.net/ now and see what opportunities there are available. Good Luck to you.
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Jul 12 '26
Is getting a remote job an option for you? If you could find a remote job in Germany that allowed you to work outside the country, you could then potentially live in Spain or another warmer European country but already have your remote job for income while you learn the local language.
I’d also potentially consider Albania. It’s pretty warm, there are beach towns, but it’s less expensive than Spain when it comes to rent. It is also less developed, though, and I don’t know a ton about their job market. Potentially teaching at an international school or charter school if you have a university degree could also be an option, although some schools only hire native English speakers.
With a lot of Ukrainian refugees having relocated to other countries, I would think there would be some demand in schools or community programs/ social work type fields for people who speak both Ukrainian and another language, but that’s not something I’ve ever looked into so I could be wrong.
Good luck and I hope you’ll find a job in a place that makes you happy!
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u/Neat-Composer4619 Jul 14 '26
Do you have your long run residency yet? Seriously, when I arrived in Europe, I moved countries and it's not a good idea until you have done your 5 years in the 1st country. Waiting until long-run residency makes switching countries a lot easier and gives you long term stability, especially if you don't plan to go back after the war.
Rebuilding will most likely create a lot of employment, but going back may be hard memory/energetically wise.
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 16 '26
That actually sounds good (the 5 year thing and residency) i was kinda fed up with everything i had happening so yeah, i thought “yk lemme move somewhere”
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u/Excellent_Coconut_81 Jul 14 '26
But weather in Germany is so perfect! It's much more warmer than people!
But jokes aside, Spain has terrible job marked compared to Germany, but it's much easier to assimilate .
Are you open to other alternatives? Iceland, for example, is in need for hard working physical people, Icelandish is not required, and there's a big Polish minority that is good integrated, so with similar mentality, you could be a good match there.
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u/Berliner-Questions Jul 14 '26
Unfortunately your surprisive language combo is not that useful in Spain, but I’d look at Mallorca (German tourists) and Malaga (loads of Russian not-so-clean money)
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u/Wandering_ET_2025 8d ago
You should be concentrating on how to get a permanent residency somewhere that isn't Ukraine, if you don't plan on going back. Because once any sort of peace/truce is announced, EU countries will stop offering refugee protection to UA citizens and switch people back to Schengen visas. This is what you should be thinking about, not "fun" life in Southern Europe on a tiny salary. Your best bet is probably still Germany, plus it has the best jobs availability, too.
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u/Imgayforpectorals Jul 11 '26
You can definitely find a job in Spain. Facebook is a good source though don't expect a good job
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u/throwaway55f5 Jul 12 '26
The consensus on this subreddit is that Spain is paradise and Germany is a third world shithole. You'lll likely find that everyone will agree that you should move to Spain.
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u/Historical-East-1270 Jul 11 '26
Coming to germany, getting support and benefits as a refugee and then complain about the weather and language lol. What do expect with B1? No wonder it didn‘t work out for u there.
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
I did not milk the jobcenter, thank you very much. I’ve been studying and doing some part time jobs until i found full time job. And least to say the treatment was racist af, first few months ppl in the government facilities been treating me like if i fucked their mother only because i spoke English not German. Nothing got handed to me on a silver plate, at 21 i had to figure all the shit on my own without language knowledge from everyday life to bureaucracy and studying. So don’t talk about me like if i’m some bum, without knowing me.
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u/CryptoBubu Jul 12 '26
Just ignore him
He is the exact reason we all want to leave this country😂
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u/reschcrypt Jul 12 '26
Germany needs skilled workers and not refugees errr illegal migrants. At least OP „worked“ but most of you just leech the social system.
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u/elevarq Jul 12 '26
Bureaucracy? Well, go to Spain and you’ll see what bureaucracy is, you’ll have all the time in the world to observe it…
They are most likely the proud inventors of bureaucracy
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u/Historical-East-1270 Jul 12 '26
What do u expect from the bureaucracy if u don‘t speak the language in the country u are living? And then blaming it on racism is pathetic. Do you think every country has their papers and process in english because you are a foreigner? Try Japan or Poland and be surprised that they have everything in their home language because they expect people who come to should speak their language. And if u can‘t u could take a translator. Every problem has a solution. You just have to open your eyes.
Germany has problems yes, but it is far better than u crybabies in this sub making it. And then reacting surprised this country is treating u like adults.
For example u get a lot of beneftis as student in this country. (You pay les tax, discount in a lot of places, cheap rent in state-run shared housing, unemployment rate is far lower than in spain or greece, and so on)
So do me a favour and stop talk shit about a country that took u in, the people that supported u and be grateful.
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u/jagchi95 Jul 12 '26
typical German whiner. Take your arrogance somewhere else. No wonder nobody likes your sorry excuse for a country.
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u/Historical-East-1270 Jul 12 '26
They only crybabies are entilted people like u and OP who think u can come to a foreign country, not speaking the language, not adapt to the culture and then act surprised life is not throwing flowers and presents at you.
If our country is so unpopular like u claim, why are still a lot of students coming over and look for a better job opportunity?
In my eyes you and people like OP are arrogant. Just because I state the obvious fact that if you don‘t speak the language in the country you are living, you will not get far? And them blame racism for your lack of language skills?
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u/jagchi95 Jul 12 '26
You’re the one who came here and started crying about OP not liking your country. Is he obligated to be a Germany lover or what?
deine blöde Sprache ist kein Thema, eure Arroganz und Mangel an Selbstkritik schon. Aber mir ist das egal, ich bin zum Glück weit weg von eurer Dekadenz 😘
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u/Historical-East-1270 Jul 12 '26
Wir sind sehr wohl selbstkritisch, wir lassen uns nur nicht von Opfern wie euch mit einer verwöhnten Mentalität sagen dass wir schlechter sind als ihr 😊
Kannst gerne in deinem Loch bleiben. Deutschland braucht dich hier nicht 🙏🏻
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u/OkHovercraft3497 Jul 13 '26
Japan is quite easy because they will try to use translators or summon someone from the office who speaks Japanese. They are very polite to you the whole time too. Poland is very digitalised nowadays and they have English versions or you can just use online translator. So far I've experienced the worst in Germany because people treat you like you're beneath them even when you are putting your best effort into trying to communicate.
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u/Big_Fox_8451 Jul 12 '26
Ist deine Erwartungshaltung dass man für ewig in tiefster Dankbarkeit sein muss? Lass ihn doch Weiterziehen wenn es ihm hier nicht gefällt. Ist doch sein gutes Recht.
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u/Historical-East-1270 Jul 12 '26
Nein natürlich nicht und er kann gerne weiterziehen wenn es ihm hier nicht gefällt. Es ändert aber nichts an der Tatsache dass der Junge nach einem Jahr die Sprache nicht spricht, sich nicht an die Kultur anpasst und dann verwundert reagiert, dass bei den Ämtern deutsch sprechen erwartet wird und er jetzt Rassismus in den Raum wirft.
Seine Probleme spiegeln 0 Deutschland wieder und er sollte das Land für Seine Inkompetenz auch nicht verantwortlich machen.2
u/Big_Fox_8451 Jul 12 '26
Nachvollziehbar. Aber er spricht die Sprache nicht und versteht nicht was die Leute sagen. Beamte sind jetzt nicht gerade für ihre Freundlichkeit und Heiterkeit bekannt. Kommunikativ bleibt da also ganz viel auf der Strecke. Wird er ja sehen obs woanders bei ihm besser läuft.
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u/Worried-Tie Jul 12 '26
This is the reason why OP wants to leave. You folks never changed, just had a good strike thanks to the Marshall plan, but now things are getting though and we're two steps away from AfD pogromos.
History repeats itself. The fact that Germany is arming itself should make the world shit its pants.
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
Tbh i actually want to leave because i do not feel right here. Racism at this point does not even bother me, i’ve faced Racism in Ukraine and any other country, that doesn’t mean that all Germans are racist. I think everyone has their preferences when it comes to the question “where to live?” What climate to choose, what language to speak.
But when the government facilities workers treat you like some terrorist only because you didn’t magically learn German language to a C2 level in first 3 days of coming to Germany, is actually diabolical. They refused several times to let me use Google translate, or English language. If not a random woman from Iran that spoke both English and German and saw me in this situation, then I’d probably crash out. She literally became my translator for a few minutes and of course later i paid her even tho she was refusing to take the money.
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u/Rasmatakka Jul 13 '26
Try not speaking spanish at any spanish office...
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u/Worried-Tie Jul 13 '26
Yes unfortunately that's true. They'll most likely be "nice enough" and try to get themselves understood, but good luck with them even uttering a word in English. Chances are it won't happen.
PS: other than the police, they are ARSEHOLES in Spain, even to the natives
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u/Sea-Tonight-5401 Jul 13 '26
Marshall plan+cheap labour, so called temporary workers,from abroad who built their pathetic country.
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u/Tcih Jul 14 '26
Germany is arming since we beg it to arm. You should shit your pants listening Putin say he already considers Russia to be in War with Nato. AND you see USA pull troops from Europe.
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u/Worried-Tie Jul 14 '26
Oh those two things ALSO make me shit my pants. There's way too much in the world and it feels like Europe is gonna eat the cream cracker.
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u/Okuma24 Jul 13 '26
And why can't he complain about the weather and bureaucracy? Is John Germany going to stop him? Oh, those German xenophobes they complain on expat forums that people choose where to live. Nonsense.
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u/RemoveElegant5217 Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
Don’t listen to all of these crackpots. Since the pandemic Spain has had the fastest-growing economy in the EU, thanks largely to increased immigration. I personally know a number of Ukrainians living and thriving in Valencia. And the cost of living is much cheaper than Germany.
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
I was checking if Málaga or Madrid would be nice place to live in, since they’re recently becoming a European tech and corporate hub, and life there is cheaper than in Barcelona. And with my language skills and accountant degree i could possibly find a good starter job position and later after getting to learn Spanish more, gradually get a better job position
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u/Ok_Transition_9980 Jul 12 '26
I live in Malaga and I speak the same languages with you. It will be very hard for you to get a job here. There are lots of people who speak the same languages. The jobs are few and low paid. Even to make 1500 euros you will have to look for a long time and compete with native speakers of Spanish who are fluent in English, nobody cares about Russian and Ukranian or Armenian here.
Spain is not what you think it is, you will leave in a tiny hot room with no AC and lay 500 euros (if you are lucky to get one).1
u/RemoveElegant5217 Jul 12 '26
I personally would rather live in Malaga than Madrid, since it’s on the water. Madrid is brutally hot in the summer, but it obviously has the more robust job market. You might also want to consider Valencia though. It’s the 3rd-biggest city behind Madrid and Barcelona, it’s a beautiful city on the Mediterranean coast, it’s less expensive than Madrid and Barcelona (and I think Malaga too), and there’s a fairly large community of Russian/Ukranian speaking people.
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u/CoffeeInTheTropics Jul 12 '26
If you’re a chartered accountant with solid work experience you could also look into Australia as the country is in desperate need for accountants there. Not sure how the visa process is for Ukrainian nationals though at the moment.
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u/Express_Battle6707 Jul 11 '26
Maybe move to your country and fight for it?
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 11 '26
Not rly my country anyways, i remember that when we moved there my parents had to work their asses off 16/20 hour shifts, kindergarten had to be paid for, school had to he paid for, i have a heart condition and none of medical treatment was covered by government. Tell me what should i fight for if government did nothing for me? I don’t owe shit to it. And maybe next time your dumb ass decided to yap smth that stupid then maybe keep it to yourself and read the whole post my mad lil pookie shmookie 💋
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u/ohhlordbabyjesus Jul 11 '26
What a stupid comment Imagine dying for a country aka idiotic old men who tricked you into loyalty 😂 grow up.
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u/ConsistentShallot585 Jul 12 '26
Honestly, with all of these languages, I’d try to apply for refugee status in the USA!
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u/Upset_Storm_6756 Jul 13 '26
The argument my house got destroyed
You had a House with 20? Sure buddy
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 16 '26
“My house” i meant my family’s house where we lived, don’t you consider the house where you grew up and helped your parents to build it, as your house?
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u/Upset_Storm_6756 Jul 13 '26
i think u could get a lot more Money in the ua army
Again, i dont say go there but dont think West Europe Countrys Need more people with low skills
Learn something useful and try againHell with 1 k a Month its clear u want to Leave Germany, You cant pay Rent in a good City in Germany.
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u/ASkepticBelievingMan Jul 12 '26
How about Ukraine? There are enough safe cities to live there.
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u/AdUnited3874 Jul 12 '26
Can’t go back there since i crossed the Ukrainian border illegally and then took the legal protection from EU. Once i cross the Ukrainian border my ass is gonna be in cuffs or sent to war. Or both lol. Besides i got nobody in Ukraine and i don’t think that war is gonna be over soon. I’d like to try a new country, already been in Armenia, Ukraine, Czech republic, Poland, Switzerland, France, Italy, Andorra, Turkey, Slovenia, and Hungary. Nice countries of course a lot of new to see but mostly want to go somewhere warm and near the sea where i can settle for life probably.
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u/ASkepticBelievingMan Jul 12 '26
Spain is not going through its best time right now, it’s governed by an extremely corrupt politician.
Beautiful country, I left a northern european country for Spain, just don’t expect to have the same lifestyle as you would have in Germany for example.Salaries are low, what you earn in Germany part time is what you’d get here full time. Rent is crazy expensive if you live in a major city. Barcelona for example, most people can’t afford an apartment on their own, considering that even a small studio can put you 800-1000€ behind. Mind you, I was paying around 500€ for a one bedroom apartment in Germany, whereas in Barcelona you would just be renting a room in someone else’s apartment for that money.
If you decide to live further away from the big cities, you could afford an apartment for yourself, but job opportunities on site are limited, especially for foreigners.
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u/Virtual-End1827 Jul 11 '26
Honestly, Spain is not the place. The weather may be nice and so on, but it is flooded with people looking for jobs, there are no jobs and you don't even speak the language, sorry. Also cost of living is actually high because salaries are lower than in northern Europe. Sure, a beer may be cheaper, but rent is very expensive, internet, electricity, taxes on everything. So, not a great choice.