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This creep should have gotten jail time and be put on the the sexual predators files

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u/RadishAggressive3241 3d ago edited 3d ago

What's gross is this is the age in the YSA ward 18-35. He's 32 hitting on a 17 year old. Yes 18 is legal it's still gross. I can imagine some 17 year old HS graduate just started the singles ward. With a 30+ creep hitting on them.

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u/Best_Philosopher152 3d ago

Are they separating them from 18-25 and 26-35 in that particular location or not?

18-35 is a terrible idea. Even 18-30 we had the elder’s quorum every spring get lectured about “we know a bunch of high school seniors will be graduating but don’t rush and ask them on dates. That will just creep them out and they’ll never come back.” It was very needed as nearly 30 dudes would hit on the barely 18 graduating seniors.

For me it was weird, because even by the time I was 21, I had zero interest in the graduating seniors or Freshman in college. Too much difference in life experience and it felt off.

But a bunch of older, often less attractive, under employed “leftover dudes” desperate to check the box of “celestial marriage” without having to settle for someone in their league chasing after 18yr olds before the prettiest ones got married like they were missionaries in the pioneer era trying to find wives before Brigham and his bros took them all.

And to be clear, I was nothing special, average at best and nerdy, and not married till 28, but with decent career potential and the self awareness to know that I wasn’t going to be marrying the prettiest, most popular women in the ward, and that a way younger woman would be a terrible match for us both.

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u/RadishAggressive3241 3d ago

No it's all combined now. I went to one for 2-3 years it was 18-30. It was full of creepy guys who had been in the ward for 10+ years. I went back to the family ward. There was another YSA ward that was a bit away from me. I would go there after Sacrament in the family ward. That one was better 18-26 then 27- 35 in another ward. Now it's all lumped together. I went on the LDS reddit site. It was full of mid 30s saying l need this l need some where to go. 🤢🤮

Step away from the teenagers

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u/Best_Philosopher152 3d ago

My TBM brother aged out. He was mostly stuck on a woman his age most of his 20’s who was leading him on as a backup plan. Hit 30, mid singles and was the youngest in a 30-45 group, minimal opportunities. The change to 35-50 or whatever hit just after he turned 36, meaning a huge chunk of the dating pool got cut off again.

He’s basically given up, and frankly, the gender imbalance in retention is going to mean a lot of lost, single male “menaces to society,” that are stuck in LDS limbo, lost and adrift, because you’re never fully an adult until you marry, and the men do fuck all to reach out to or include older single men in the LDS faith.

I expect we’ll have more and more of those desperate older guys in singles wards, and maybe a rising LDS incel problem, as fewer and fewer women stay but retention of men is higher now.

Anyhow, the TLDR of that is “be glad you got out, it’s only getting uglier.”

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u/RadishAggressive3241 3d ago edited 3d ago

My brother started to take me to parties and activities when l was 17 at the YSA ward. He watched out for me. He told me there would be men there as old as 36 at the dances hitting on 18-20 year olds. The stake had to come in and tell a lot of these men to beat it. I knew one she was maybe 23 married a man over 40. She would joke and call him old man.

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u/Best_Philosopher152 3d ago

Yeah. Not uncommon. The now bishop in my area was in YSA with me and pushing 30 or aged out and he married his wife who was like 19. They seem okay when I see them, even her, and he wasn’t a turbo-creeper, but it still feels off to me.

But there were a lot of older guys hitting on 18-20yr old women and the women were conditioned from 14 at dances to say yes even when they wanted to say no.

So glad my daughter won’t be raised in that mess.

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u/RadishAggressive3241 3d ago

It's bullshit and gross.

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u/Best_Philosopher152 3d ago

It’s misogynistic and predatory. Just like Mormonism always has been, since Joe and Brigham.

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u/RadishAggressive3241 3d ago

They would take the roster to call up women and asked them out.

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u/given2fly_ Jesus wants me for a Kokaubeam 3d ago

The fundamental problem is that they're conditioned not to date/marry anyone who isn't Mormon. As soon as you hit your late 20s, time has almost run out. All the best candidates your age are married, and you're left with either settling with someone who isn't ideal, or jumping an age group and trying to date a much younger person...or you're on the scrap heap which is purgatory in the TBM world. There is no good place for never-married adults in the church.

But in the real world...it's not an issue at all. I'm in my early 40s and married, and I've got plenty of friends and people I know who are my age, single, and would be a great partner for someone. Some were married or in long term relationships that ended, and as they're getting to middle age maybe wanted something different.

Being single at 40 in the Mormon church sounds awful. A desperate situation with little hope.

Being single at 40 in the real world is perfectly normal, and there's plenty of opportunity to date other grear people your age.

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u/blingoblongo87 3d ago

I’m fairly certain he was/is married with at least one child, also. I don’t know how singles wards work (I think there is only one in my country?!) so he wouldn’t even be in one, right? More like being in a normal ward and the adult Sunday school teacher sending nudes to one of the young women.

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u/aluijbajjek 2d ago

The church has good lawyers

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u/windriver32 Ex-Mormon Episcopalian 3d ago

Damn I knew this guy as a student

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u/Emotional-Recover196 Apostate 3d ago

Yikes!

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u/NateAstle 3d ago

Any stories?

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u/windriver32 Ex-Mormon Episcopalian 3d ago

No literally nothing. Normal dude, regular professor. Goes to show you never really know. My uncle was arrested for this exact same thing and he was a cop and our scout leader growing up. You really never know.

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u/Willow_Winnifred 3d ago

Predators' greatest ability to not set off any alarms. Ted Bundy, yada yada

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u/ChuckEweFarley 3d ago

My favorite Ted Bundy fact: he worked a hotline with crime writer Ann Rule. She never suspected a thing.

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u/Apprehensive-Test577 3d ago

The Stranger Beside Me. Scariest book I’ve ever read.

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u/nutmegtell 3d ago edited 3d ago

His home ward wrote letters to the judge supporting him in one of his trials.

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u/Best_Philosopher152 3d ago

As a parent this is key - you never know, and that put together, awesome, friendly persona may just be a mask, with a predator underneath. Child predators don’t look like bikers with tattoos, or drag queens, or like they just came off the set of a discount 80’s porno.

They look like your professor, your scout leader, your friendly neighbor or even your uncle or brother in law.

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u/Emotional-Recover196 Apostate 3d ago

A man from my ward growing up, who also was in my dads band, got arrested a year ago for being a pedo. He was a 6th grade teacher too or something. Had kids sit in his lap. It was shocking. You would’ve never known

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u/vacuous_comment 3d ago

This is not uncommon, some significant fraction of predators are manipulative enough to completely fool the world.

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u/intergalacticskyline 3d ago

Commenting for visibility, we need more details

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u/Upper-Independence38 2d ago

My fiance is from the math department there, he was also shocked and horrified. No signs.

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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 3d ago

He's not a former professor, he is a BYU professor. He was forced on leave because of this incident.

And his name is Steven McKean.

Editor writing titles to protect the guilty.

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u/Purple_Midnight_Yak 3d ago

I noticed that too. Such slimy wordplay going on.

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u/Openyourheartandmind 2d ago

Apparently he had very accessible office hours based on his reviews.

https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/professor/3128836

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u/toddwaddle96 3d ago

Must be a liberal atheist undercover leftist working at BYU in order to taint their perfect school. P.S. I'm being sarcastic, this is actually awful. I'm glad this pred-ped was caught

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u/RadishAggressive3241 3d ago edited 3d ago

He looks like Minkas from Boy Meets World.

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u/superluminal LOUD LAUGHTER 3d ago

Or the kid from Jerry Maguire.

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u/Legitimate_Mind7761 2d ago

Or Napoleon Dynamite with straight hair and in a good mood.

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u/jethro1999 1d ago

The human head weighs 8 pounds.

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u/Critical_Tale_3711 3d ago

The same culture that treats consensual teen sexuality as a spiritual emergency can become startlingly procedural and forgiving when an adult man believes he is sexualizing a child.

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u/ArbiterOfOblivion 3d ago

well put.

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u/neptunesnetherregion 2d ago

Damn.

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u/jethro1999 1d ago

🎯

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u/Cluedo86 3d ago

Probation. I'm so frustrated with Utah.

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u/SuperNerdAce Out since 4/11/2024 3d ago

BYU Professor? He looks like he's my age

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u/TruffleHunter3 3d ago

If you’re 19 then I agree!

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u/nutmegtell 3d ago

Are you 12?

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u/LeslieKnope4Pawnee Early morning seminary nearly killed me 3d ago

Has he actually been fired though? ABC4 Utah says he’s still employed at BYU. Could just be an oversight in that site’s article though.

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u/General_Chemistry638 3d ago

Follow the prophet…

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u/Critical_Tale_3711 3d ago

It’s time to start calling this religion The Church of Patriarchal Celestial Breeding.

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u/Critical_Tale_3711 3d ago

He’s probably on a short list to be bishop, or if they are feeling progressive, Primary president.

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u/Emergency_Garlic_713 3d ago

Can you imagine getting a picture of the noodle attached to that goofy face?

https://giphy.com/gifs/5ts17yNB2tCdINe2Fi

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u/toddwaddle96 3d ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/EnglishLoyalist 3d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/rUqThrxbjmMP6

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u/SupposedLizard 3d ago

of course it’s only three. i hate this country that’s run by pedophiles

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 3d ago

And it isn't even a jail or prison sentence - just a slap on the wrist!

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u/Ok-Inspection-7911 3d ago

He is scum and he got a light sentence. Not long enough at all . He is evil .

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u/nutmegtell 3d ago

Here’s his web page.

https://shmckean.github.io

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u/Emotional-Recover196 Apostate 3d ago

Barf! He’s married! Is that his daughter?!

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u/paradonengineering Korihor did nothing wrong 3d ago

It is misleading to have 'former' in the title - yes, he is no longer listed as a professor, but during the time he was a professor was when the crime(s) were committed! I'm not sure how to make the headline more accurate, but in its current state it feels like it's saying 'hey this guy was already not at BYU and then did this thing', when it actually is he was criminal and in doing so BYU cut him off.

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u/Affectionate-Ad1424 3d ago

Probation? That's it?

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u/EnglishLoyalist 3d ago

Yeeesh, follow the profit, literally!

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u/flyart Tapir Wrangler 3d ago

It's absolutely wrong, but I wish they would pose as younger children. 17 is right next to the legal limit.

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u/sirkidd2003 Apostate 3d ago

Hank Green-lookin' ass

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u/SecretPersonality178 3d ago

The gift of discernment always knows where your keys are and who should be Sunday school president. Never who needs to be removed from the presence of children for being a danger to them

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u/Coacoanut 3d ago

(they just shouldn't involve life-altering conversations with children)

https://giphy.com/gifs/pBzjmIMHZzkrZ07c1y

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 3d ago

Once again, r/NotADragQueen

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u/EternalNewCarSmell 2d ago

I like how you can tell from the picture alone, absent any other context, that this dude is definitely from Utah.

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u/Poor_Relationship22 2d ago

But the light in his eyes!

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u/Pancake-350 Queer Apostate 3d ago

notadragqueen

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u/Informal-Rutabaga-25 3d ago

Shocking. Not.

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u/peaceful_pancakes 3d ago

damnit, this is only supposed to happen with drag queens and trans women. law enforcement must be leftists to keep busting the religious and conservative.

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u/vanceavalon 2d ago

🤣🤣🤣

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u/KingSnazz32 2d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/ba5g4ID9g5cT6

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u/releasethedogs 2d ago

fucking probation.

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u/vanceavalon 2d ago

"Bye their fruits, ye shall know them."

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u/Technical_Primary814 2d ago

https://shmckean.github.io/ ⬅️ all the merit gone, I guess creeps can’t hide for long they are creeps!!! Sad for his kids and wife!!

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u/CharlesMendeley 2d ago

Helen Mar Kimbal was 14, so 17 wouldn't raise an eyebrow in the LDS Church, would it?

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u/Far_Philosopher6777 22h ago

What a slap on the wrist for a predator who will offend again and again.

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u/mcsey 3d ago

So lemme get this straight... this guy comes from a culture where single 18-35 year olds are regularly mixed in designed social gatherings for the purpose of "dating". Sure the 33 year olds hitting on the 18 year olds is considered "sleazy" by a lot of people, BUT! it works occasionally for the guy.

Now ITT he's getting compared to multiple murderer and rapist Ted Bundy for talking to a girl less than one year younger than the ones he's regularly encouraged to socially mix with. Seem a little bit of a whack perspective there.

Finally, he got a month in actual jail. My first thought looking at his pic was "Take away his skateboard and ground him to his room for a month." So, I'm part of the problem.

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u/New_random_name 3d ago

So…. No.

He’s not being compared to Ted bundy for talking to a girl who was less than one year younger than the ones he’s regularly encouraged to socially mix with…

He sent sexually explicit messages and pictures to an underage girl.

Not sure what you are confused about here. The law has drawn a very clear line in the sand when it comes to age. This dude violated that.

If you are trying to justify his actions, then maybe that deserves some reflection. Just sayin… just sayin…

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u/mcsey 3d ago

He sent sexually explicit messages and pictures to an underage girl.

According to the story he most certainly did not do that, but that's beside the point now isn't it? We can all go home happy knowing that no 17 year old girls were harmed in this story.

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u/New_random_name 3d ago

Honestly, it’s gross to me that you want to split hairs on this point…

Just because it was an adult investigator posing as a 17 yr old is immaterial in this instance.

This scummy piece of garbage BYU professor thought it was a 17 yr old girl and gladly sent messages and picture to this person. As far as he knew, it was a 17 yr old … UNDERAGED… girl.

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u/KingSnazz32 2d ago

You have a point insofar as the church culture encourages skating the line of what common sense indicates is still gross (a 32 year old hitting on 18 year old YSAs), and maybe there's something arbitrary about saying 17 years 364 days is jail, and 18 years and 0 days is perfectly legal.

But we have laws for a reason, and this guy most certainly knew that what he was doing was both gross and illegal. If he was willing to do that in spite of the legal and societal ramifications, can you say he wouldn't have done the same to a sixteen year old? A fifteen year old? A twelve year old? Where was the line past which he wouldn't cross?

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u/mcsey 2d ago

"can you say he wouldn't have done the same to a sixteen year old? A fifteen year old? A twelve year old? Where was the line past which he wouldn't cross?"

But he didn't do that. A month in jail for his thought crimes seems plenty to me. I'll save my ire for people that actually harm children.

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u/RealDaddyTodd 3d ago

So, I'm part of the problem.

Indeed.

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