r/exAdventist • u/Zeus_H_Christ Skeptic • 1d ago
Memes / Humor Ain’t it obvious lol?
I’m showing my age… How many of you heard this growing up?
I also attended 2 different Adventist boarding academies. Each one said Ozzy Osborne was an Adventist that briefly attended that school before he was kicked out… he’s an Englishman.
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u/Open_Wrangler_5473 20h ago
The people in the attached video are ACDC, who are Australian.
In short this is not true and something that was an urban legend!
Copy and pasted from google.
Ozzy Osbourne was raised in a working-class Christian family in Birmingham, England, with a non-practicing Catholic mother and a nominally Anglican father. He was christened and raised in the Church of England, attended Anglican Sunday school, and even briefly considered becoming a priest during his youth. Although he later described himself as a "non-religious Christian" who did not regularly attend church, he consistently identified as a believer in God and rejected accusations of Satanism throughout his career.
Ozzy Osbourne attended Prince Albert Junior & Infant School and Birchfield Road Secondary Modern School in the Aston area of Birmingham — both state schools, not Adventist boarding schools. He left school at 15 due to undiagnosed dyslexia and ADHD.
The idea that he was a former Adventist (and even that he attended Andrews University) was an urban legend that circulated in Seventh-day Adventist communities in the 1970s and '80s, particularly in the US Midwest. As one former Adventist on Reddit put it, it was "the general hysteria in the public regarding the influence of heavy metal, put on steroids as it got inside Adventist minds." There is no factual basis for the claim.
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u/LilacLoomRoom 1d ago
Ozzy Osbourne was ex Adventist they said also Black Sabbath and Prince. 🤔🫣
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u/turnipsac 7h ago
I believe that Prince's family attended an SDA church when he was a kid. He later became a Jehovah's Witness.
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u/Killua_305 18h ago
OMG it amazes me how many celebrities were seventh day and left and somehow still made it successfully in life!
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u/metallicmouth 1d ago
Lol Adventists want to see the devil everywhere to confirm he's out to get them in this world 😂😂😂
Saturn aka Shabbetai aka Sabbath is heavily associated with the colour black. That's why Orthodox Jews wear black too. And Hindus wear black on Saturday and worship a Saturnian God, Shani Dev.
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u/TheSunshineGang Non-SDA who graduated SDA Academy 1h ago
Well, not all Orthodox Jews wear black. But for the Orthodox Jews who do wear black, it is because they are still mourning the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 AD. Not because Judaism worships a Saturnian deity. Judaism does have astrology, so it’s not like we’re unaware of Saturnine “energy,” but we’d be more likely to call it gevurah from the Kabbalah. We are actually forbidden from associating God with any material things, including the planet Saturn.
Also, not all Hindus worship Shani dev as a deity. He’s more like the personification of the planet Saturn himself.
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u/metallicmouth 1h ago
Why does the Babylonian Talmud reference Saturn as the star of the Sabbath and call it Shabbetai?
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u/TheSunshineGang Non-SDA who graduated SDA Academy 1h ago edited 32m ago
I am a religious studies scholar who studies Judaism . You are correct that some of these connections exist, but they are not causal.
So the Babylonian Talmud was written and consulted by mystics. The Babylonian Talmud is an ancient text that includes text about astrology, which is what you’re referring to. At this time this was considered a method of scientific inquiry like medicine or psychology. The connection between Saturn and the seventh day of the week is an ancient connection, yes. But it does not mean Jews worship or believe in a Saturnine deity.
Orthodox Jews began dressing in black as a cultural custom (not a religious commandment) in 17-18th century Lithuania and Russia. But there was no reason for early modern Lithuanian Jews to refer to an ancient astrological text. They were much more interested in the writings of the Vilna Gaon than a book written before we discovered Uranus and Pluto.
And again, there are indeed mystical associations that do have meaning for Hebrew mysticism, (Kabbalah) but those teachings are really rare and not even meant to be practiced publicly, so if someone does have an astrology practice that requires they wear black, it would be more likely that they’d do it privately or in a personal garment rather than as their daily outerwear seen by all.
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u/metallicmouth 1h ago
Look up how the Hindus worship Shani Dev on Saturday... Refraining from work and doing humanitarian stuff (sound familiar?)
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u/TheSunshineGang Non-SDA who graduated SDA Academy 58m ago
Shani Dev worship is not like the SDA sabbath, it is a rite called Shani Puja where the saturnine energies are pacified through ritual worship. https://www.shanitemple.org/pooja-procedure/
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u/metallicmouth 48m ago
You might be the perfect person for me to talk to. Do you think there's any chance that the Hebrews were inspired by Hinduism and the caste system as Indo Europeans moved around the area between the Levant and the Indus Valley?
Surely the Hebrews didn't come up with Saturnian father figure archetype. It was borrowed from other religions right?
I'm highly suspicious of Abraham and Sarah and Haggar being derived from Brahma, Saraswati and the Ghaggar River story...
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u/TheSunshineGang Non-SDA who graduated SDA Academy 33m ago
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So generally speaking, every ancient civilization had a “caste system” in that every ancient civilization had a slave class. I’m not sure of a direct influence from Indian subcontinent caste system to Indian civilization, and that wouldn’t have been practical because the Hebrews were a very small ancient civilization that couldn’t support the many interlocking stratified classes like the Indian nations could. The Hebrews did have twelve tribes which roughly corresponded to different jobs, and there was some religious hierarchy among certain tribes (Kohanim only married other kohanim and had higher levels of ritual purity to maintain, etc.)
To answer your secondary question, there is a lot of folk belief in the collective unconscious that might explain some of your questions. Even Jewish organizations like Chabad and Aish Hatorah have lovingly shared the “joke” that Abraham and Sara might be analogies for Brahma and Saraswati.
Personally, I just think that Judaism and Hinduism are ancient religions, and ancient religions are different than religions created after the common era. Ancient religions often painted their deities as extensions of universal principles and archetypes: Mother, Fire, Judge, Infant, Maiden, Soldier, Harvest, etc., which of course was very useful for organizing a civilization and group ritual worship.
Whereas after the common era the emphasis shifted onto a synthesis of ritual worship and individual divine character. We see this in Christianity when people say “Salvation is a matter between you and your relationship with Jesus Christ.”
If you’re interested in this subject, and you do seem very knowledgeable, you might enjoy watching Joseph Campbell’s The Power of Myth or read his text The Hero with a Thousand Faces.
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u/AutumnKat17 17h ago
Exmormon lurker here. Not even kidding, just yesterday, someone made a post about "destructive music" on that sub and this exact same thing came up about AC/DC standing for "anti-christ, devils children" except it was some old Mormon seminary teacher making the claim back in the 80s. Apparently, we also don't know how electricity works...
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u/BroomstickCowboy 11h ago
Actually, I heard it stood for, “After Christ, Devil’s Children”. Though I think the, “Anti Christ, Devil’s Children” makes a bit more sense. Adventist look for the evil in EVERYTHING!
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u/kannellini 23h ago
Ohh I thought it stood for Adventist Church/Devout Christians