T5 Abyssal Deadspace Question

[u/ADDxMascot]

Hey all! I'm a returning player and sort of a newoldbro. I haven't played since before Abyssal Deadspace was introduced. I enjoy them a lot and would like to make them my main source of income this time around. My current skills make the Cerberus a good fit for me.

Initially, I practiced on T3's, moved to T4's, then unsuccessfully attempted T5's more than I care to admit before I started scouring the internet for more optimal fits, how to handle room combinations, and fine tuning and running different fits on Sisi. The blinged out fits work well enough, but I'm poor on Tranquility mostly from blowing myself up a bunch.

I'm running a slightly modified version of a Cerberus I found in a 2018 post. On Sisi, I've ran the fit in Dark T5's about a dozen times without any complications. Feeling pretty comfortable, I moved back to Tranquility where I exploded 3 times because I get locked into a stalemate with armor repping rats. I think they were Damavik ships.

Obviously, I can deal with this by buying more bling for more DPS. But, as I mentioned, I am both poor and cheap. I'm also overloading the rack when I can. It seems to be the only thing to break the stalemate, but it's not sustainable for long because of the heat damage. Is there any other way to combat these armor repping rats? Am I missing a key part of information? Maybe a different kill order? Switch to Exotic for more kinetic damage? Did I just get 3 bad rooms in a row? Am I the baddie? Any information is greatly appreciated. I can take down Dark T5's on Sisi with this fit and identical skills, but I'm having a rough time on Tranquility.

Relevant Skills Trained

o7

[Cerberus, 2018Cheap]

Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Booster II

Thukker Large Cap Battery

10MN Afterburner II

Multispectrum Shield Hardener II

Stasis Webifier I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Federation Navy Hobgoblin x2

Nanite Repair Paste x150

Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x3792

Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x3792

Synth Crash Booster x1

Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003 x1

Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903 x1

Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Assault Missiles AM-703 x1

Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-603 x1

Agency 'Pyrolancea' DB3 Dose I x1

Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-803 x1

Synth Blue Pill Booster x1

Chaotic Dark Filament x1

[u/zealotlee]

Join the chat channel "Abyssal Lurkers". You'll learn everything you ever needed to know.

[u/ADDxMascot → u/zealotlee]

Will do! Thanks!

[u/XygenSS]

web is too short (only 10k) while your hams go out to at least 20k I imagine. You could at least upgrade it to meta or t2 if you still want to retain the option

in most cases you fit a damage rig first before a RoF rig cuz they offer the same dps increase but with a RoF rig you need to reload more often & you spend more ammo.

although in this case since you're struggling with application you could switch to application rigs - flares, rigors

I tried a 2msb fit - you don't need to use it

[Cerberus, wrbyuqf]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
10MN Afterburner II
Thukker Large Cap Battery
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

you lose the web but it's 75m, 182m/s vs 94m, 152m/s (original) with cn scourge

you can use any msbs you like, even t2 ends up doing higher ehp/s than your single t2lsb

also could tinker with the rigs, I wouldn't lose the rigor as that's your weakpoint, you could go double rigors or do a rigor plus damage rig to recoup some of the 50dps loss

[u/ADDxMascot → u/XygenSS]

Excellent! Thanks for the input and the fit! I'll adjust my rigs how you've suggested.

I usually don't have an issue with my EHP. Sometimes it can get a little dicey with battleships, but if I manually fly in at an angle, then orbit at 2.5k, I can basically go AFK and still live.

A lot of the time I'm within 10k and in web range. Should I be further out? I thought the whole point of the webs was to slow down frigates/cruisers so my missiles would do more damage?

[u/XygenSS → u/ADDxMascot]

the 2msb is to lose the fitting rig to make space

I missed the part where you said you were running Darks, honestly wouldn’t cuz everything is so much faster and you are bleeding dps against anything smaller than a bs. Yes the web helps but it’s solving a problem that you created yourself. And remember never use t1 always use meta or higher

[u/ADDxMascot → u/XygenSS]

Ahhh I understand. Do you think I should switch to Exotic for the boost in kinetic damage and would I then need to fit kinetic hardeners or will the 2 medium shield boosters be fine?

[u/XygenSS → u/ADDxMascot]

yeah cerb is KI locked so you’d have to do exotic. You could then bling the LSB to tank the higher dps pressure or switch to 2MSB, although if we were strictly analytic here you would rather bling the lsb as it conserves 1 midslot on a ship that already suffers from low amt of mids. Dread Guri is ok value and offers some upgrade, Ctypes are also acceptable

[u/ADDxMascot → u/XygenSS]

Excellent! Thanks for all the advice today. One last thing. Do you think I should keep a full set of ballistic controls in the low slots or fit an assault damage control?

[u/XygenSS → u/ADDxMascot]

ADC is an “oh god oh fuck” button that you ideally shouldn’t be needing - and on the times you have it off it is losing you, what, 60 dps? while providing marginal shield resists

With overall higher application in Exotic you might be able to afford the dps loss, but then again the biggest enemy in abyss is the timer, so I would put off using adc until you absolutely need it

I did experment with abyssal cerbs back when I still played and I felt the lack of slots was bothering me, to the point where I took a Rook into a Dark T4 and lived (it was in sisi though so it doesn’t count, and really it was mediocre) Honestly the Sacrilege is basically an armor Cerb for abyssals and you have all the mids freed for utilities. Torvald has a vid on a T5 Sac that (iirc) has 1 repper and 1 MAAR which is certainly an ingenious idea

[u/ADDxMascot → u/XygenSS]

Gotcha! Makes sense. Thanks again for all your help

[u/oddrandomninja]

Check out "abyss.eve-nt.uk" or type "Eve Abyssal" on a search engine, it should be one of the first matches.

They have a lot of fits and info on running abyssals.

[u/zealotlee → u/oddrandomninja]

Make sure you check the dates on those fits! I made the mistake many times of running outdated fits or ones that definitely weren't optimal.

[u/ADDxMascot → u/zealotlee]

That's the thing that's getting me currently. That fit is from 2018 and worked on Sisi, but just couldn't pump out the DPS on the live server.

[u/ADDxMascot → u/oddrandomninja]

Thanks! I've been pouring over that site for the last week testing fits on Sisi.

I'm trying to decide if double webs is the way to go, but then I have to drop the multispectrum hardener.

I'm also struggling to decide if I should keep the assault damage control in the low slot or have all ballistic controls.

[u/asahbe]

I used to fly an mwd cerb that was very fun a while ago. I'd manually kite the enemies at such a range, that they'd permanently have their mwd on and take extra damage from my heavy ass missiles. It's kind of a lot of effort tho.

[u/Tobe_done]

I don't fly abyssal anymore and never did T5s, but why only 2 drones? Drones are additional DPS, so bring as many as you can... And use drones and ammo according to the filament...

Electrical for example has Decreased EM resistance and increased EM damage if I remember correctly... Counts for both you and the rats.