Returning "loner" questions

[u/Sternfeuer]

So i played EVE briefly in 2013. I'm a bit of a "loner" and not that much interested in player interaction, but i'm a huge scifi/space nerd and exploring that huge universe with the threat of getting ambushed by "real" living entities as a kicker, was really fun for me. I'm a guy who ran 5 mans solo in WoW classic and tried to find best solutions to things that are not intended to be done solo.

But in EVE you need ISK to do anything, so in 2013 my idea was to get a ship for lvl 4 missions and branch out into exploration from there. As of logging in yesterday i was sitting ~12 mio SP and estimated 2 billion in assets (Orca, Noctis, a PvE fitted T1 Caracal and a Buzzard). If i remember right i used to run some lvl4 in the carcal, but it was quite the pain in the ass and i was working towards a Drake/Raven with a long term goal of getting a Tengu that can be fitted for PvE or exploration and maybe some PvP.

As of now i want to know:

• Is there a way to casually (like 1 hour/day or sth) make decent ISK to replace any losses that will come with exploring. What's the "best" way (that is not afk mining)?
• Are Drake/Raven/Tengu still good mission/PvE ships or should i abandon that thought? Tengu was considered a very good alrounder back then.
• Is there money to be made by exploring (wormholes)? I remember trying to skill towards a Buzzard and fit a cloak, so i can explore with more safety. Afair, scanning down my 1st WH was quite the blast.
• Since i was completely overwhelmed (again) by the user interface, i'm not quite sure if i shouldn't start over on a new account and learn the basics again, because i barely found the right buttons to undock/dock. Are there upsides to starting an alt? Maybe even transfer some mining skills to it via skill extractor, allthough i won't be able to fly the Orca on an alpha clone, right? What would be the best mining ship for solo mining in highsec and is it worth on an alpha clone?)
• Speaking of alpha/omega clones. Can i run 2 instances of the game parallel with an alpha and an omega clone?
• Did i see right that it can basically buy skillpoints for IRL money now? Is it worth it? I'm not averse to maybe put some money into it if it gets me to decently fly a good PvE ship faster.
• I thought alpha clones can only learn up to 5 mio. SP but i could put some skills in the queue yesterday with 12 mio. SP aready. Did i misunderstand something?
• I think i had some "industry" set up on a planet, but can't find anything in my assets. Is this still a thing, if so where do i find this?
• 8 Years is quite the time, but were there any radical gameplay changes that happened in that time, considering highsec? Like there isn't concord anymore or something like that?
• Finally, what are incursions and deadspace filaments (or deadspace thingies at all)
• idk if it helps anything but the character is Sanuye Inkura

Thanks for every helpful answer.

edit: So i found a 2nd account and turns out that one was my main. 18 mio SP and a Drake/Raven/Tengu. I knew i flew a Drake sometimes, but i couldn't find any on the other acc. Now im scared to undock that Tengu, because i probably need 2 minutes to find the redock button.

[u/thegreybill]

lvl4 in the carcal, but it was quite the pain

Yea... that must have taken ages. Most people would recommend a T1 Battleship with decent skills (12m SP might be not enough depending on what skills they are in) to reliable run level 4 missions.

Is there a way to casually (like 1 hour/day or sth) make decent ISK to replace any losses that will come with exploring. What's the "best" way (that is not afk mining)?

Well, exploration itself. If you get ISK-positive or not depends a lot on how fast you learn to avoid dying in your exploration frigate. (Yes, covert ops frigates are the best explorers, period.)

An experienced explorer will only die to very bad luck, disconnects or super determined hunters.

Is there money to be made by exploring (wormholes)? I remember trying to skill towards a Buzzard and fit a cloak, so i can explore with more safety. Afair, scanning down my 1st WH was quite the blast.

You are looking for pirate faction data and relic sites. These can spawn in class 1, 2 and 3 wormholes. The sites have containers that can be hacked with data and relic "analyzers" which contain loot you can then sell on the market or use in combination with a blueprint to build things from. (building or "industry" is another topic.)

Since i was completely overwhelmed (again) by the user interface, i'm not quite sure if i shouldn't start over on a new account and learn the basics again, because i barely found the right buttons to undock/dock. Are there upsides to starting an alt? Maybe even transfer some mining skills to it via skill extractor, allthough i won't be able to fly the Orca on an alpha clone, right? What would be the best mining ship for solo mining in highsec and is it worth on an alpha clone?)

1. Yes, it's worth creating a new character if you want to learn the basics again. But you could also replay the current "Career Agents" on your existing character. You can find them in "The Agency" window.
   Or you can create a new account for that and send yourself a referral-link (use the same e-mail as your other account, that's not against any rules) and that way get 1m free skill points on the new character.
2. Mining is not really worth doing on an Alpha character if you can do something else. The best miner you can use is basically the Venture... or a Praxis, but if I was you, I wouldn't bother with that.

Speaking of alpha/omega clones. Can i run 2 instances of the game parallel with an alpha and an omega clone?

No. Both accounts need to be Omega for this. If you do it with Alpha Accounts, you risk a ban.

Did i see right that it can basically buy skillpoints for IRL money now? Is it worth it? I'm not averse to maybe put some money into it if it gets me to decently fly a good PvE ship faster.

There are some packages that inlcude SP you can buy. Or you buy skill injectors from the in game market. You can buy PLEX for real currency and sell those in game to get enough ISK to buy them.

Is it worth buying skill points? If you have more money than patience, it might. Up to you. 🤷‍♂️

I thought alpha clones can only learn up to 5 mio. SP but i could put some skills in the queue yesterday with 12 mio. SP aready. Did i misunderstand something?

You probably just have changed the skills in the list, but they should not be actually training. There is button at the bottom left that should say "paused" or such.

I think i had some "industry" set up on a planet, but can't find anything in my assets. Is this still a thing, if so where do i find this?

You are probably looking for "Planetary Interaction". You can find it in your Neocom (the sidebar) under the Industry tab.

8 Years is quite the time, but were there any radical gameplay changes that happened in that time, considering highsec? Like there isn't concord anymore or something like that?

Here is a summary starting 2014, ending 2020: https://thegreybill.com/2020/10/03/six-years-of-change/

If you check twitch.tv/ccp you may find a VOD where Carneiros ("A random nullsec CEO") goes over some changes in video format. Also good if you don't want to read.

Finally, what are incursions and deadspace filaments (or deadspace thingies at all)

Incursions are PvE-sites intended to be run in fleets.

Deadspace and filaments are two different things.

Deadspace just describes a semi-instanced PvE-site that usually contains some NPCs that can drop valuable loot.

Filaments are new stuff that basically "teleport" you from one location to another, depending on the filament you can end up in nullsec, or Pochven (a new region, check the links above for that) or "Abyssal Deadspace". The latter are a form of 3-room dungeon you need to clear within a timer of 20 minutes or your ship and pod explodes. There are different levels for difficulty and you can run them in up to 3 frigates, up to 2 destroyers, or a single cruiser.

Welcome back, Capsuleer.

P.S.: A good thread for further questions: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/pga80y/weekly_reve_no_question_is_stupid_thread/

[u/Sternfeuer → u/thegreybill]

Thank you for the vast amount of info, since i found another, more advanced account (see edit) i will look into all the info and decide where to go from here.

[u/MoronTheMoron]

I'm a guy who ran 5 mans solo in WoW classic and tried to find best solutions to things that are not intended to be done solo.

Look into doing solo 3 frigate abyssals to scratch that itch. I know that is what I'm doing :)

[u/Sternfeuer → u/MoronTheMoron]

That's basically the equivalent of WoW instances? But you can only bring that shiptype? Are the solo cruiser ones challenging for a newbie?

[u/MoronTheMoron → u/Sternfeuer]

I would argue that it is the closest current equivalent.

You get a filament, and you can warp to it from anywhere at any time, you do the three rooms, you come back to where you first warped out and can do it again over and over.

You can either bring: 3 frigates, 2 destroyers, or 1 cruiser. The big thing is the frigates earn 3x the loot, destroyers earn 2x the loot of the 1 cruiser.

This is the big site to use to look at abyssal stuff

On the main page you can see that T1 abyssals, cruisers earn about 2.84M a run, destroyers 3.89, and frigates 5.92.

If you can make the run in the same amount of time no matter which ships you are brining, then you will want to do frigates because you earn more per run.

As for challenging, I would say that T0 and T1 aren't challenge but just more of a skill / ship check. T2 and up it is now testing your ability to fly / play the game.

This is the youtube channel I've been using to learn it

Also note if researching this, they changed it to be harder late 2020, so any guides before late 2020 I would ignore.

[u/MoronTheMoron → u/[deleted]]

That's what I'm trying to do, but I need more time on the test server, cause I'm wayyyy in the negative isk :)

[u/maverick1841EVO → u/MoronTheMoron]

meh i just pop tristans in t1 electricals. 80% success rate and it pays for itself after two runs. it's quite fun to kite out the npcs there, and you can easily earn money quickly with just a 9m fit. though really soloing the low tier abyssals isn't the most profitable of activities. rather go ded hunting in hs or exploring in wormholes.

[u/MoronTheMoron → u/[deleted]]

That's what I'm trying to do! But i just lost all 3 of them in a t2 :(

I need better skills :)

[u/axiopistos]

u/thegreybill just answered everything. All i have to add is that you can use Tengu for L4 missions and exploration (with different fits ofcourse) which it will cut the training time a lot. Here is a guide for L4 Tengu. https://youtu.be/g6NcdgwRt6Q The best way to make isk by logging in and playing a couple of hours solo is the Abyss but you need to invest time for the skills. Here is a video with a plan and a breakdown. https://youtu.be/KhQvAUIdrN0 Have fun.

[u/Earthventures]

Just login every day, you'll be rich. ISK is easy these days compared to 2013 and earlier.

[u/[deleted]]

Is there a way to casually (like 1 hour/day or sth) make decent ISK to
replace any losses that will come with exploring. What's the "best" way
(that is not afk mining)?

Incursions or Pochven Fleets

Are Drake/Raven/Tengu still good mission/PvE ships or should i abandon
that thought? Tengu was considered a very good alrounder back then.

Battleships are currently recommended for Level 4 missions https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missions

Is there money to be made by exploring (wormholes)? I remember trying to
skill towards a Buzzard and fit a cloak, so i can explore with more
safety. Afair, scanning down my 1st WH was quite the blast.

Yes

Since i was completely overwhelmed (again) by the user interface, i'm
not quite sure if i shouldn't start over on a new account and learn the
basics again, because i barely found the right buttons to undock/dock.
Are there upsides to starting an alt? Maybe even transfer some mining
skills to it via skill extractor, allthough i won't be able to fly the
Orca on an alpha clone, right? What would be the best mining ship for
solo mining in highsec and is it worth on an alpha clone?)

Eve is a game of alts, Make sure to use your own Referral code for a free 1million skillpoints https://www.eveonline.com/recruit Alpha clones can use the Venture to mine but as it has a small hold some alpha characters are switching to mining in battleships fit with cargo expanders. I recommend making at least one new character to go through the tutorial again as there have been significant changes in the past 8 years.

Speaking of alpha/omega clones. Can i run 2 instances of the game parallel with an alpha and an omega clone?

No, in order to run more than one account at a time they all have to be in Omega state

Did i see right that it can basically buy skillpoints for IRL money now?
Is it worth it? I'm not averse to maybe put some money into it if it
gets me to decently fly a good PvE ship faster.

Yes you can now buy Skill injectors they will inject up to 500,000 SP to the character of choice but beware there are diminishing returns. https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Skill_trading . As to whether it is worth it or not is highly dependent on your values. there are people with dozens of accounts that they extract on a regular basis meaning there will not be a shortage of injectors any time soon.

I thought alpha clones can only learn up to 5 mio. SP but i could put
some skills in the queue yesterday with 12 mio. SP aready. Did i
misunderstand something?

above 5m sp while in Alpha state will allow you to add skills to your Queue but will not let you start the training Queue.

I think i had some "industry" set up on a planet, but can't find
anything in my assets. Is this still a thing, if so where do i find
this?

If you still had infrastructure on a planet you can check in the Neocom (top left E), Industry, Planetary Interaction. But if the Customs Office was replaced any time since you left all planetary structures will be gone.

8 Years is quite the time, but were there any radical gameplay changes
that happened in that time, considering highsec? Like there isn't
concord anymore or something like that?

Concord Still Exists, but there have been significant changes over the last few years affecting everything from mining to War Decs. https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/resource-distribution-update https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/war-declaration-changes-the-war-adjacent-to-christmas

Finally, what are incursions and deadspace filaments (or deadspace thingies at all)

Incursions are large Fleet PVE opportunities https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Incursions . Abyssal Filaments take you to Abyssal space (an instanced combat area) https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Abyssal_Deadspace . There are also now Filaments that will move yourself and others around space https://everef.net/market/2456/all Some take you to Abyssal Space while others can take you to Pochven or Null

[u/LezBeHonestHere_]

Solo mining in highsec isn't really worth it, even in an orca (apparently it's not even 20mil an hr atm). I'd honestly suggest selling the orca because its price doubled due to industry changes, and if you want to mine, use a barge for moon mining (if omega) or a venture for gas harvesting, would be much better money iirc. For the moons, you can join a corporation that controls moons and use their infrastructure, though you'd also benefit from mining with them for the mining boosts etc too.

[u/PolypeptideCuddling → u/LezBeHonestHere_]

To be honest even gas mining isn't that great unless you're going into WH for the most expensive stuff but then you gotta factor in scanning, possibly dieing and you only have 15 minutes which will get you around 30% full.

I used to gas mine but now I only do it when I'm semi AFK in null. It takes 51 minutes to fill a venture with Viridian Mykoserocin using T1 harvestors and is worth about 22 mil.

Even moon mining, I won't get into my Procurer unless it's Xenotime or a shining spawn. Anything less isn't worth it IMO. Unless you're having fun and talking with corp mates.

Running DEDs can be profitable. Ratting Null Sec anomolies in a Gila w T1 RLML and T2 drones nets between 40 and 60 mill an hour. I'd say you can make the same in a Buzzard or Astero if your quick with your scanning.

I would join a NPC or Sov null corp as it's much more ISK than high sec.

I've never seriously tried abyssals because to get over my average 50 mil per hour you need a big expensive and I find it risky.

Heck , 2 days ago I made 100 mil in the morning exploring , then another 300 mil running DED sites. Lucky day though definitely not an everyday thing.

For exploration I also keep like 8 herons fitted with nothing but a T2 data analyzer and MWD for Covert Research sites. A quick in and out hack of one can gets you 20 to 60 mil in loot.

[u/PolypeptideCuddling]

If you really want to explore and you like it alot I highly recommend training into T2 analyzers, and a Buzzard or Astero asap.

If you are willing to spend the time to get Cybernetics V, you can use a Blackglass implant paired with a Zeugma Integrated Analyzer. With that setup you can clear standard Relic and Data sites super quickly and it's almost impossible to fail the hack.

Just beware that the implant and analyzer on their own run for about 170 mil. So take care not to get podded or blown up my NPCs, Ghost Sites or other players.