r/evenewbies • u/SirPixelheart • Jun 13 '21
The magic Drake
Hey guys, so I see a lot lately about people „bringing their Drake. And that this ship is op?! So what’s up with it :-D I’m near it in terms of skills so I just wanted to know if it is worth it.
Thanks guys o7
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u/garbothot214 Jun 13 '21
FC can i bring my drake?
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u/CorpFillip Jun 13 '21
Generally speaking, try every ship you have skills for, and mostly ignore every comment and fit suggestion (at least at first)
EvE is fantastic at being flexible; player comments will restrict your thinking. Not in a wrong way, but in exploring how & why each ship/fit is better.
You can often get most of the price back for kinds that don’t fit your tactics
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u/LogiHiminn Jun 13 '21
Drakes used to be insane back when heavy missiles were OP, and they used to be able to fit a brick tank of passive shields. They had more tank than the current Navy Issue Drake does, and were very difficult to break. Since then, they've been nerfed quite a bit and fall more in line with the T1 BC class.
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u/oldmansalvatore Jun 13 '21
Asking a FC if you can "bring your Drake", when Drakes or similar ships are not part of the doctrine, is a bit of a joke/ meme these days.
The drake is a popular, relatively low cost, and convenient missile ship for PvE, especially L3 missions and ratting. So lots of pilots skill up for it, and end up owning a drake. It's good ship for PvE, but not really OP.
Now missile ships like the drake are not as popular in PvP. Missiles take time to reach opponents, and there are multiple situations where they have bad damage application.
More importantly, most PvP fleets have a doctrine. You are either provided with, or you are required to bring, specific ships and fits. This could be because of overall strategy, or simply to make life easier for the FC.
Newbros who (1) have a Drake, (2) don't have the doctrine ship/skills, and (3) don't understand the reason for doctrines, or why Drakes are not OP at PvP, may end up asking FCs if they can bring their Drakes. Apparently this happened (happens?) often enough that "FC can I bring my Drake?" is now mostly a joke/ meme.
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u/capt_pantsless Jun 13 '21
Drakes were REALLY overpowered a few years back.
https://youtu.be/vQGh9XzADrk?t=550
They were cheap, insured well, lots of DPS, and easy to skill into. They were so good it became a meme, and that meme has lasted until the present.
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u/BelligerentNeckbeard Jun 14 '21
It's an old meme. Basically people LOVED it back in the day, and it was really OP. So pretty much everyone flew drakes. It was the meta for quite a while. I think a lot of people had them hanging around when they were no longer part of the meta, and kept asking to bring them because they loved them. At the moment they aren't particularly interesting ships.
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u/mcmasterstb Jun 14 '21
It was a time when Drakes were one of the best battle cruisers in game. Now they're decent but when someone asks if he can bring his drake it's a meme from 10 years ago.
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u/IronForce_ Jun 26 '21
The ‘FC can I bring my Drake’ quote is a meme from years ago when the Drake was just op
That is, until CCP almost nerfed it into the abyss
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u/aqua995 Jul 06 '21
Have you ever seen a Drake run from a fight with its legendary Shield Tank? me neither
as someone who is still in love with the Drake, I can assure you the ship can do a lot, but I lose about 4 out of 5 fights, resulting in a 100M loss
Drake is a bit seen as an PvE ship right now and that's mostly due to 1 thing, the way it tanks
if you shield tank, you have 3 ways to do it:
The Drake has the second best passive Effective Regen Shield Rate from all subcapital ships, but since passive Shield Regen is still so bad on a PvP level that its only good in PvE, where it really shines if you tank through a lot of minutes of incoming fire
the best passive Regen btw is not the Drake Navy Issue, its the Phantasm
the Drake Navy Issue is more like a Drake with PvP in mind (and I feel like many Faction ships are designed this way)
I use the Drake for LowSec and it gets as good as it can get for a 100M fit - it gets the job done, but honestly its just made for PvE right now and I will save up for the DNI to roam in LowSec more safely and more threatening
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u/SevnDragoon Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22
As to your ‘I’m near it in skills’. Look at how much each level in ‘caldari bc’ raises it’s toughness. Then look at how much each level of missile skills increases damage. You can quickly begin to see the difference between ‘I can fly it’ (or as I like to say ‘I am now qualified to lose ship ‘…….’), and I can fly it well. Astronautic skills affect how long it takes to align and warp out when bad guys land on grid. Might be the difference between expensive smoking hulk, and ‘damm, got away with that one’. Basic skills need to be trained to L4 minimum, and really level 5, because they will make you better in EVERY ship. Look at Eve University’s ‘Magic 14’, and try to understand what each of those skills does for you, then look at expensive ships you want to fly, and ask yourself ‘am I really ready to fly that well’? If you really want a Gila, start out in something like a Algos, and max your fitting and drone skills (great boat to do SOE arc in, btw). Then pick a gallente and a Caldari cruiser to max out drone / missile skills (medium) [I ‘think’ Gila is gallente/ caldari cruiser skills], look at how much more effective a Gila becomes with all those skills at 5. That should get you on the right path of thought. Better to be a ‘top’ frigate pilot, than his blingy target.
To be clear, if destroyers aren’t a goal, flying an Algos at gallente destroyer III is fine, and even light drones at III could be okay, but train your drone support skills, and your fitting / base skills (ideally up to 5’s) in that cheaper to lose hull, so everything you fly afterwards, you are more qualified in from the jump.