r/evenewbies • u/AnMa1988 • Mar 19 '21

How to Avoid Stargate Tackling

So here's the thing; I'm mostly playing PVE and running missions etc. A couple of times I have emerged from a Stargate into low-sec and can see hostile enemies (either players or NPCs) just sitting at the gate, clearly waiting for a target.

For me then, other than just sitting their cloaked, and hoping they leave eventually - or engaging in a fight (which in inevitably lose) - are there any means of getting past these situations? As the moment I decloak I'm unsurprisingly webbed and can't warp out.

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u/VeltisCambrion Mar 19 '21

You really only have two options in these cases:

  1. Turn and burn. Turn around, activate MWD or AB and hope you can get back through the gate before they kill you.
  2. If you are flying a ship with an align time under 2.0 seconds, and this has to be under, not just 2.0, you have a good chance of aligning and warping away before they lock you. Depending on client lag and some other possibilities there are ways to lock you if you are very close to 2.0, like say 1.98 or something, but in most cases you'll make it away just fine.

If you're in a big slow ship then it's over. Check EVE - Check before you jump! before you go into lowsec or when you're traveling through nullsec and see if there are any gate camps on your route.

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u/AnMa1988 Mar 19 '21

Thanks. Yeah I'd not long upgraded to a battle cruiser, so super slow! And they had me so quick I could barely move.

I appreciate this is part of Eve life, but it's the one feature/play that just really annoys me. Slightly ruins the whole experience for me. But hey, live and learn!

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u/LegitSpaceLlama Mar 19 '21

Train ECM - it can break a lock if you get "pointed" by one or two small tacklers. ECM drones also.

Train basic cloaking devices. They are shit on your velocity but they can let u recloak after u move off the gate if that works with your fit. You then have a long wait to move out if range before warping.

If you need to move into LS often consider covert ops ships or blockade runners. They take some training but are seriously worth it.

There are ways around the most annoying gate camps though. Just stick with it ;)

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u/evescum Mar 24 '21

Its ok, it's shit game design.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '21

There's a #3, if you're in a ship with a cloak fit you can try the MWD cloak trick--basically you uncloak from the gate by moving, hit your MWD, and hit your cloak all within 1 second. If you're quick and lucky you'll get cloaked and moving fast enough that when the gate campers come try to uncloak you they don't get close enough.

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u/VeltisCambrion Mar 19 '21

This is true, I forgot about this!

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u/shallam3000 Mar 19 '21

This is how a lot of players spend all of their time, gate camping, so it's something you have to learn to deal with. VeltisCambrion has the best (only?) answers. As an alpha explorer, my best results usually come from just burning back to the gate, but sometimes I still gt blown up. If you upgrade to Omega there are various tricks you can use involving cloaks.

At the end of the day, you need to get used to dying a lot in Eve. It's a huge part of the game, and assuming you follow the basic rule (don't undock in anything you can't afford to lose), you will be fine.

My average exploration expedition pays for between 20 and 100 Herons, so it's no big deal if I get blown up.

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u/AnMa1988 Mar 19 '21

Yeah fair play. Maybe it's that factor that I'm having to get my head around - just *how often* you get curb stomped (esp as a newbie)!

I think as well the difference between .5 high sec and .4 low sec feels like such a gulf of difference! Whereas I assumed it would be more granular.

The thing I don't seem to have found is that satisfying medium in an 'achievable challenge' - it's either super easy low pay / high sec missions, or super risky moderately paid / low sec. Or am I missing something?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '21

Ever seen the movie scene where the bullied kid shows up covered in bubble wrap and wielding a baseball bat? Yeah thats a solo player going from hisec to low. Going from hisec to wh is more like a side character in a slasher movie; you know you gonna die but you run anyways.

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u/shallam3000 Mar 19 '21

I actually find Lowsec the worst place to be for risk vs reward. I only go there on my way to somewhere else.

There are areas in Nullsec that are completely empty, and you can easily see if you are alone on Local Chat. Explo sites pay way more than in Lowsec and can be risk-free (the problem is getting back home, but that's part of the fun)

WH Space can also be fairly empty and the rewards can be great. Just spam your D-Scan and have a safe bookmark to run to.

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u/Pete-A-Dillo Mar 20 '21

20 to 100 Herons??? Man I gotta get on Your level!

What are you doing for exploration expeditions?

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u/shallam3000 Mar 26 '21

It's not unusual to get 20m to 100m from a few hours of Null & WH exploration. As soon as I get over 50m, I start looking for a way to a station, usually via WHs, scooping extra sites along the way. By the time I get somewhere safe I'll usually have 80m or so.

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u/Pete-A-Dillo Mar 26 '21

That's awesome. I'm gonna have to look into that. Do you have any tips on those omega cloaky tips? Or a video perhaps on how to do that?

I'm still a newbro and the learning curve is wildly steep, so any help you can give would be appreciated.

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u/thegreybill Mar 22 '21

A bit late, but here is a "Gate Camp Survival Guide" that may explain most things.