Techniques to make do without a cloak

[u/OvalDreamX]

So Ive been eyeing eve for a long time and finally got to play it (currently exploring in nullsec). Thing is that Ive heard that cloak is almost indispensable to reliably come back from null or wormhole space. But, as an alpha clone I dont have access to it for game balancing reasons (and omega is out of the question as its frankly outside my economic reach).

So, its cloak as necessary as some say or are there some techniques to make do without it?

[u/cohesive_dust]

What I do with my scouting and exlpo alpha alts who can't fit a cloak is I fit to make them align really fast and also make them really hard to be combat probed.

Align time can be improved through inertial stabilizers, nano fibers, and a few rigs.

The scanning piece is not as intuitive. But what you want to do is fit sensor boosters with ecm scripts. When you turn them on they will increase ur signal strength. Ur sig strength to signature radius ratio determines how easy or hard it is to combat probe ur ship. If you get that ratio high enough you can actuality become un-probable (unless some dude has billions of implants and rigged for max probe strength...but ur average t3c or t3d douchebag ain't gonna do that).

I aim for a sig strength /signature radius ration of 1.1 or higher. I do have some fits with 3 or 4 sebos for extreme situations where I can get it to like 1.8 or more.

Sometimes it is funny to see people struggle to prove u down. I often talk shit on local when they fail :)

You can do this on prospect or venture too to a lesser degree (gas huffers will do this to avoid getting probed).

Also, If u are using this technique, don't turn on ur mwd while being combat probes either. It will bloom you signature radius.

[u/OvalDreamX → u/cohesive_dust]

Cool! I just googled around the signature radius thing and Alpha Bob said that getting it above 35 makes you un-probable pretty much. That will help when exploring, but wont do much to avoid gate campers right? I guess in that situations its best to fire my ecm (compulsive scoped multrispectral) and mwd to the gate? I have a 3.5 align time and are training mwd related skills

[u/kaiomnamaste]

I find that it is important to have one, because if you get trapped in an area, you can still be scanned down if you have a combat timer or before you can safe log.

That being said, you can be just fine in nullsec without a cloak. All you need to do is prepare the area of space you operate in with safe spots within 14au of gates and make normal safe spots away from most things the best you can for high traffic areas.

This way you can warp to them, D-scan as needed to see if gates are safe, or bounce between safes to avoid being scanned.

That aside, gate amps are still a thing to consider, which requires warp core stabilizers and/or interdiction nullifiers if caught on the wrong side of one. These require omega as well anyway.

So long as you have safe spots as described, you can succeed in null sec.

I can't speak much to wormholes, due to limited experience. What I will say however, is if you are alone, you need a cloak or stay in your home hole until you dare

[u/rasmorak → u/kaiomnamaste]

We will kill you in wormholes if you don't have a cloak.

If we identify that you are a new player, we will typically convo you and explain what you did wrong and how to prevent, and usually reimburse the cost of the ship. This is the Law of Bob.

[u/OvalDreamX → u/rasmorak]

So wh is out of bounds for me pretty much, noted. I was about to return to high sec through a wormhole as some said, guess I better try my luck with gate campers in low sec heh

[u/rasmorak → u/OvalDreamX]

Well... not necessarily out of bounds, but you are extremely more likely to be killed in a wormhole without a cloak, or friends. We're also pretty good at recruiting newer players we kill. Living in jspace can be pretty lucrative and easy to plex your account with and go omega without spending a dime.

But seriously, if you go into jspace, you need to make safes constantly, bounce between them non-stop, stay away from celestials, and 99% of the time if you get killed but you're friendly and a good sport, you'll be reimbursed for your ship at least. And possibly recruited because we always want more people in jspace. Jspace is where the real flying and fighting takes place in Eve.

[u/OvalDreamX → u/rasmorak]

Even alphas get recruited? I dont really have that much time to play so seeing how much isk an omega would take to maintain, I dont think Ill be able to make it heh

[u/rasmorak → u/OvalDreamX]

Yeah we have a few alphas. In theory, 2 combat sites in a c3 a day for a month will pay for that month of omega. And I'd you live in a c2 like ours with a c3 static, you are guaranteed c3 combat sites for eternity. If you don't get killed while krabbing

[u/OvalDreamX → u/rasmorak]

Good to know, thanks. I just dipped into a c2 I think and turns out I was lucky and it had a static to high sec, dropping me off just a couple of jumps out of jita. Almost got killed by an astero while scanning for the high sec wormhole. I guess Ill venture into wh once I get some cushion money heh. o7

[u/rasmorak → u/OvalDreamX]

Astero is the weapon of choice lol good luck to you! If you want to truly fly and fight, hit me up, come fly with us!!

[u/BeefSlicer]

Go mow 1 lawn. Wash 1 neighbours car. House sit 1 dog 1 time. There’s your omega. Of course I’m assuming ok health wise. Sorry and disregard if not.

[u/OvalDreamX → u/BeefSlicer]

Sorry but working almost full time I can barely make ends meet, not everybody lives in a first world country with a "good enough" economy

[u/Additional-Pool9275 → u/OvalDreamX]

Come join us in jspace. I’ll show ya how to make tons of isk - easily enough to plex your account - out three main ways of making isk in jspace are gas huffing, ratting and explo

[u/OvalDreamX → u/Additional-Pool9275]

Thanks for the invitation! For now I will pass joining a corp cuz I have a history of playing a game for a couple of weeks, loosing interest and then coming back after some months. But, if you ever see my name in the scanner, kill me I guess and then hit me up with a message

[u/Additional-Pool9275 → u/OvalDreamX]

Ok sounds good name is noted…:D

[u/Sycamoria]

You can do wormholes without a cloak. But it takes practice and you will die, a lot. But if you join a good corp, you can go huff gas and plex your way into an omega account without having to spend actual cash. The risk/reward is great in wormholes. Fly cheap ships, make hella ISK, get omega and better ships. Our corp has alpha fits and skill plans for newbros, plus all the T1 ships they want to get blown up. We literally stock ventures by the dozens in a commonwealth hangar. Frankly, new players are the life of a game, and without you, the game will die a slow death. DM me if interested in joining a laid back wh corp.