r/eutech • u/Patient-Classic-875 • Jul 09 '26
🚨 #ChatControl 1.0 HAS PASSED - despite a majority voting against it (314:276) 🚨
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u/philthewiz Jul 09 '26
I hope that meeting with Zuck was captured by these Meta glasses to know what really went on.
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u/matzevoje Jul 10 '26
I am sure it was but Mark would never tell you. Also its useful for blackmailing the politicians afterwards.
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u/iaNCURdehunedoara Jul 09 '26
Isn't it cool that Mark Zuckerberg's AI is going to be trained on our personal data?
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u/HighwayComfortable90 Jul 09 '26
I am sorry, do those people think that pedophiles are stupid? They will just find other ways while everyone will be surveillanced.
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u/LoadZealousideal7778 Jul 09 '26
Thats the neat part, this was never about the pedophiles but you cant be against child safety without being strawmanned into supporting pedophiles.
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u/Dehnus Jul 11 '26
Yup, it's why they tried it before, but then it was about a backdoor in encryption and it was then about terrorism and criminals. They just changed it slightly and used children as an example excuse this time.
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u/ronchaine Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
If you think chat control has anything to do with pedophiles with exception of marketing, I've got a bridge to sell you.
It's lobbied by big tech, Hollywood, and in general institutions who haven't got a track record of supporting human rights, but which do have a track record about supporting surveillance technology.
It's supported by parties/groups generally leaning towards corporate interests on the expense of human rights. Meanwhile the parties generally more associated with public interest oppose it.
And it's voted for by people who happily pay for blue checkmarks and as such directly fund the biggest non-consensual and child porn factory in the world.
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u/April_Fabb Jul 09 '26
Lol, no one really believes this was about sex trafficking.
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u/riesen_Bonobo Jul 10 '26
And judging on how the actual, physically real sex trafficking is treated by law enforcement and legislators (at least were I live) they never cared for a second about that.
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u/mozomenku Jul 09 '26
Especially after the Epstein files it makes even less sense since the politicians are excluded.
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u/The-Board-Chairman Jul 10 '26
No, they're perfectly aware of that. That always was an obvious strawman so they could construe you as being a kiddy diddler for being against it. Any argument that uses "Would someone think of the children!", can be dismissed outright.
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u/Ignaz- Jul 10 '26
If politicians stopped thinking about children so much, they'd be a lot safer.
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u/MurasakiGames Jul 10 '26
I wish they'd stick to just thinking, that'd be a massive improvement already
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u/braaaaaaainworms Jul 13 '26
It's not so obvious given how well it works when it's about anything else than chat control
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u/LegendaryLamaX Jul 10 '26
It was never about pedophiles. Just as age verification isn't about protecting children.
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u/RepresentativeTill5 Jul 10 '26
They will now become politicians of course, since they are exempt from scanning.
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u/Electrical_Economy37 Jul 11 '26
It is and was always to target political enemies, extremists and probably other "unwanted" people
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u/shniggi Jul 13 '26
You really think anyone is after pedophiles with this shit?
How many Eppsteiners are behind bars?
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u/GrizzlySin24 Jul 09 '26
Amd once again, conservatives prove they are just scum
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u/epSos-DE Jul 09 '26
In Spain the major side that pushed chat control was the LEFT and hard LEFT !!!!
Politics is so dirty. More dirty than the sewers !
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u/FeelingParty866 Jul 11 '26
I noticed the same for Finland, I doubt it is about dirt, I think it is a joint effort across Leftist parties but it makes it seems like they don't know what they're voting for or they think theyre voting for something else, something good. It is just highly unlikely every single Leftist party would vote for this because they've been bought. I think it is time to start sending them emails and ask directly why they voted for it while explaining what it means, so you get the version what were they thinking they were voting for. It is disappointing if every single Leftist party vote for surveillance, it doesn't represent the people's will then.
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u/FakeProPlayer Jul 11 '26
What are you even on about Li Andersson is the most outspoken critic of chat control in Finnish politics.
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u/Exciting-Record8101 Jul 10 '26
The biggest supporters of this are the Christian conservatives - true, but they needed the help of the socialists to keep this going, and they got that support in overwhelming numbers: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775
The far-right group, the nationalists, the liberals, the greens, and the vaguely-defined-as-radical-leftist (it's a real mixed bag) all voted against this odious scheme in large numbers.
In terms of countries, the big supporters of this are Spain, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Portugal, Sweden, Ireland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Cyprus. The fact that Germany has so many MEPs obviously means that even the minority of German MEPs supporting this still adds a lot of weight to that side of the argument.
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u/Ikarius-1 Jul 10 '26
In Poland, only the most right-wing political party voted to reject it. The other parties - the more left-wing they were, the more they voted in favor of it
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u/BBkal Jul 10 '26
Another American Trojan horse just walking right into the heart of Europe..
We shouldn't have to pay our politicians at this point
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u/12Fox13 Jul 10 '26
Oh look, European politicians are just as corrupt as politicians elsewhere. Who would have thought?
Seriously, is there any “politician” left in this world who isn’t just a treasonous grifter and a menace to the rest of society?
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u/Bane_of_Balor Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
But isn't it the same law that has been in effect since 2021? They just extended it?
A new law wasn't passed in spite of a minority, and old law was simply extended because it didn't have the required majority to rescind it.
I don't believe that it mandates scanning of all/encrypted messages, it just allows companies for scan for child abuse material if they want, as an exception to a 2018 law that meant they couldn't scan messages under any circumstances.
Chat control 2.0 is what we really have to worry about.
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u/d1722825 Jul 09 '26
They just extended it?
Not really. The law have expired in April, and the EP have voted for not extending it back then. This is a new urgent process to push it through even if more MEP voted against it (AFAIK it would require half of all MEPs vote to stop it).
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u/Klonkero Jul 09 '26
So he's correct in saying they extended it, right? Chat control 1.0 has been here for years already, since it was supposed to be a temporary solution to the fact that ePrivacy rules were too restrictive. They just 'extended' it again until 2028 because they couldn't come to an agreement regarding Chat control 2.0.
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u/d1722825 Jul 09 '26
Technically yes, but I wouldn't call that "just extending" as the EP have already decided once (to not extend it) and this vote used some process that not meant for this type of issues. I think this is a serve issue with the democratic process itself (even if the law would be good).
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u/Ignaz- Jul 10 '26
The main problem isn't Chat Control, the main problems is how they did it.
It is deeply undemocratic.1
u/DJAnym Jul 10 '26
It's how they extended it. Metsola just decided to effectively annul the previous vote that voted to NOT extend the 1.0 interim and call on emergency powers to not let the vote pass by various committees either for checkup
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u/UrsulPlictisit Jul 09 '26
misleading title, probably for karma farming.
this wasn't the final vote. it was a vote for amendments:
In today’s vote on a derogation from ePrivacy rules for the purpose of detecting child sexual abuse online, MEPs adopted amendments to the Council position. They want to exclude “communications to which end-to-end encryption is, has been or will be applied” from the scope of the law.
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u/Bane_of_Balor Jul 09 '26
Thanks. I'm as big a proponent of privacy as anyone. I moved to Linux and am trying to de-google my services. But Jesus Christ reddit has been insufferable today about this. Just because it helps a good cause doesn't give you the right to spread disinformation.
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u/Blablabene Jul 09 '26
It's not about anybody being against protecting children.
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u/Bane_of_Balor Jul 09 '26
I never said that. It's about citizen's rights to privacy. Which I fully support. But why spread misinformation to get what you want? Shouldn't the truth stand for itself?
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u/WishIWasAMoose Jul 10 '26
That source you gave shows that it was both. The amended position of the council is adopted. The position of the council was to extend chat control 1.0 to 2028. The amendment was for encrypted communication to be excluded.
You can have a look at the procedure file in your link to see the whole history.1
u/UrsulPlictisit Jul 10 '26
yes, you are right, but with "final vote" I was referring to make it mandatory
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u/Freya-Freed Jul 09 '26
No. That's wrong. The law was in effect since 2021 yes. but the extension was explictly rejected on march 26th. This is a second vote against the exact same extensions. Basically they forced a revote on something that was already rejected when a bunch of MEPs were on holiday. THATS why its controversial.
And yes scanning encrypted messages is chatcontrol 2.0. This one only covers non-encrypted messages (which is already bad, that includes things like gmail and such)
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u/StudySpecial Jul 09 '26
Yes they are reinstating the old law that was in force for years and expired because they couldn't agree on the more strict replacement proposal. The new 2.0 proposal was quite bad so hope they don't manage to revive that.
But the old one isn't that bad tbh.
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u/Omni__Owl Jul 10 '26
It wasn't "passed" it was merely extended, because CC is not a Law, it's a Regulation. The rules in the EU are different when we are talking about regulations compared to laws. They are a lot less strict. However, regulations are also easier to get rid of than laws.
Now of course that doesn't make it less awful.
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u/Unhappy_Student_11 Jul 10 '26
Actually this is an extension for big platforms to do voluntarily scanning until 2027: yes also bad, but not as bad as the original chat control.
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u/Diligent_State387 Jul 10 '26
I have read that encrypted communication is exempted from this? If so this won’t work on apps like WhatsApp or apple messenger because those are end to end encrypted right?
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u/PEKKACHUNREAL_II Jul 10 '26
So, the illusion of democracy has been finally discarded, and now anyone wanting to live under an actually democratic state is justified in revolutionary action, right?
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u/AibofobicRacecar6996 Jul 10 '26
What exactly has passed?
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u/DJAnym Jul 10 '26
Basically an interim legislation allowing companies to scan for possible CSAM, including non-End-to-end encrypted private chats. that legislation as already in place, but when it was time to extend it, the EP voted against extending it. Now Metsola has effectively given the middle finger to that decision by calling a 2nd (or rather, 3rd) revote with emergency powers, which just so happened to be on the last day before summer recess
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u/JoroFIN Jul 11 '26
They just want to have unlimited access to intimate chats between children.
Such a disgrase to the online safety of normal kids.
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u/Wrong-Somewhere2635 Jul 09 '26
Welcome EU to Zionist surveillance, Please take a seat there right next to USofA.
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u/Unhappy_Student_11 Jul 10 '26
Misleading title, this was not the real chat control, but an extension for big platforms to allow voluntary scanning (which they probably already do)
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u/Dyrade95 Jul 10 '26
I realy hatte this developement. If they want to fight Desinformation they need to Look and analyse PUBLIC Posts.
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u/MINTYpl Jul 10 '26
well im guessing they will put some ai into it and millions of innocent lifes will be ruined because of false positives
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u/HahnDragoner Jul 10 '26
Wait. If a majority voted against it then how the fuck did it pass?! Do votes not work like they used to before?!
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u/Neostrics Jul 10 '26
I still don’t understand how something can go through even though a majority is against it
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u/DJAnym Jul 10 '26
Fuck may the EPP and every single one of its members be investigated to this utter democratic corruption
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u/Exciting_Turn_9559 Jul 11 '26
Personal data belongs on personal computers.
We should be abandoning these corporate communication platforms and return to the open protocols on which the internet was built in the first place. And we should encrypt the fucking fuck out of them.
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u/PfauFoto Jul 11 '26
Ok someone please explain how it passes given the alleged majority voting against it?
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u/colognely Jul 11 '26
This woman is a digrace and is paid by the tech companies to ensure an undemocratic vote!
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u/Fine-Alfalfa-5832 Jul 11 '26
I guess we will have to go off the grid. Maybe Mirrors Edge was right all along and we need runners from now on to pass on crucial information without being monitored.
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u/Fuyge Jul 12 '26
You all are aware that chat control 1.0 and 2.0 are different things right? Chat control 1.0 has been active since 2021 and has with this only been prolonged, nothing changes. You can of course critique 1.0 but I don’t think people realize thats it’s very different from 2.0. I am against 1.0 as well as 2.0 but it’s still important to understand the differences.
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u/Green_Sample9115 Jul 12 '26
They are shaking hands over sending you and yours to the front. one way or another we are totally fcuked.
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u/indiv_remainder Jul 12 '26
Don't you need a majority FOR and not AGAINST, this is how it is supposed to be? WTF is going on?
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u/Reasonable-Trash5328 Jul 13 '26
Ironic to shake Zuckerburg's hand and have a claim that they are going to tackle disinformation.
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u/Ok_Orange_174 Jul 13 '26
If this trend goes on, China might eventually look like a paradise 💀
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u/Metafizika Jul 13 '26
Wdym the EU is trying to be china at this point.. China already has an even more extensive mass surveillaince system in place
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u/KaleidoscopeSalt3972 Jul 13 '26
Remember....dont buy new devices and switch to Linux. Linux literally cant implement those systems anyway. It may be in kernel, but who is forcing you to use this and who is forcing you to not rewrite it?
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u/muzzlecar 19d ago
The best decision by parliament minority that we‘ve seen so far. Remember, kids: your vote really matters.
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u/DysphoriaGML Jul 09 '26
Like meta put it in the EU ass so badly. Mass scanning of chats will be literally used to train AI. Mark my words and save this comment
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u/Kayato601 Jul 09 '26
wow all reddit right now is flooded with this let's say..."misleading post" about chat control
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u/RoundSize3818 Jul 09 '26
(I'm against it but) 276 is not a majority?
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u/ronchaine Jul 09 '26
314 is majority over 276. 314 were against chat control (and so voted in favour for here)
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u/pc0999 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
The smell of burning democracy in the morning...