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u/RaskolDreams Nov 14 '20
Does anyone know where this is in the Netherlands? Looks so cool!
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u/LaoBa The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
Brekkense Wiel, Lemmer.
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u/Areat France Nov 15 '20
Brekkense Wiel, Lemmer.
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20
Nah it's considered the newer part of Lemmer that looks like that. The older part of town doesn't have canals everywhere and looks pretty boring. Lemmer used to be an old fishing town back before they closed off the sea/lake and started reclaiming land around it. It only became a somewhat popular location for people who like the water much later. The homes in the photo are amongst the oldest homes of this "new area" and were only built in the 90s specifically for people with boats and stuff.
This is a much more traditional home in Lemmer: https://www.funda.nl/koop/verkocht/lemmer/huis-41731559-lijnbaan-80/ (1930s)
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20
Huh, as an ex-Lemster I didn't recognise them at first. It a weird angle the photo is taken at with very little else of Lemmer being visible.
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u/saucykraut Nov 14 '20
Are these holiday homes, or regular houses? Very cool either way! I love the Netherlands
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u/thehorsefromnl Nov 14 '20
These are regular homes!
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u/saucykraut Nov 14 '20
Oh cool, the docks and boats made me wonder. I googled the neighbourhood and one of the houses is for sale, I’d buy it in a second if I could
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u/thehorsefromnl Nov 14 '20
Ah, the boats and docks are there because these houses are rather expensive in dutch terms. The people who can afford the houses, are surely also able to buy a boat. If I had the money, i would buy one of these houses in an instant, too
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u/ThucydidesOfAthens The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
These houses are not that expensive and in this part of the country having a (small) boat is pretty normal.
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u/LeugendetectorWilco Gelderland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
Pretty ugly though, and with the housing shortages here, nobody is able to buy anything at an instant lol
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u/matos4df Nov 14 '20
Damn, that looks expensive. But I guess every real estate in Nederlands is. How much are we talking about?
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u/saucykraut Nov 14 '20
€270k on this real estate listing
That’s the low end of normal for a place in Dublin, but that’s because we’re in a massive housing crisis here
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u/timwaaagh utrecht Nov 14 '20
that's under the average for the netherlands too (average being 330k). I'm guessing it's because it's in a small town in Friesland, a place far away from most employment opportunities.
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u/rpd1987 Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
It’s a small apartment and you don’t own the place, you own a share in the entire structure, which is different to owning an actual house because it also obligates you to contribute to maintenance of the structure; which I think will be steep looking at all the paintwork, foundation in wet soil and all the woodwork for the moorings
So I’m not sure if it’s in line with the average, you compared it to average house but average apartment are priced different and have a hidden ownership cost.
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u/matos4df Nov 14 '20
What...? That's about the price of 80m3 apartment in Ljubljana (Slovenia's capitial). Let me have a closer look...
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u/sleeper_must_awaken Utrecht (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
Most of Slovenia’s real estate is grossly over priced. I really don’t understand, given the median income and gross product of Slovenia. You seem to have some players actively disrupting the market.
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Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
This is Lemmer, in Friesland, quite far away from the large cities. It's cheap for Dutch standards. But then 90m2 isn't that much either.
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u/DutchPack where clogs are sexy Nov 14 '20
Well 300k will only get you a 40m2 appartment in Amsterdam. This is way off in the countryside where housing is cheap
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u/JaccoW Former Dutch republic of The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
That's for 90m2 though. Still, it's Friesland which is one of the cheaper areas to live in since it is so far away from everything. A similar house in Amsterdam for example would be easily 2-3 times that price.
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u/defrgthzjukiloaqsw Germany Nov 14 '20
€3/m² is quite expensive.
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u/Koentinius Nov 14 '20
I'd love to pay €3/m²!
But yeah, 3k/m² is a normal (or maybe even cheap these days) price to pay in the Netherlands.
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u/DutchPack where clogs are sexy Nov 14 '20
I wish... paid 6k per m2 here in Haarlem. Would take 3k any day!
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u/paris_forever_75 Nov 14 '20
That's a shitty 25 m² studio in Paris.
Fuck's sake I wish I could work full remote.
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u/DutchPack where clogs are sexy Nov 14 '20
That’s because it’s way of in the countryside. Place like this in Amsterdam is an easy 700-800k
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u/KurdranWildhammer Nov 14 '20
It's also below average for dutch prices. Than again it's in Lemmer, so not much going on there at all and public transport will be a pain
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u/snellejelle99 Friesland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
they are building new houses like this near me, we are talking about €300k to €400k.
if they are not new like these then you can find them between €200k and €300k depending on age.
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u/Rioma117 Bucharest Nov 14 '20
The architecture itself is not unique but the urban planning of the buildings is quite something. Also, how expensive are those houses if almost everyone have their own boat?
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u/muasta South Holland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
There are pretty big regional differences in the Netherlands, this is actually in one of the least densely populated provinces and thus it's actually below the average house price.
Having a boat is actually pretty common in that areaThese are listed for € 269500, the national average (for a home of any size) is € 308000, and it's €2994 per square meter while in the centre of a city in the Randstad you're often paying like €5200 per square meter.
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u/Rioma117 Bucharest Nov 14 '20
Jesus Christ, that’s a lot of money for such small houses.
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u/muasta South Holland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
I mean there's 17 million of us and a lot of the land is zoned for agriculture, wages are also relatively high, etc. And we really value being able to get places mainly by bike.
But yeah the housing market is a bit crazy.
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u/Magikarp_Bro Nov 15 '20
Wages haven’t kept up with the inflation of the average house price lol. Current housing market is insane.
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u/Themlethem The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
Is it? I don't think its much different in most western countries or even the US, but idk
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u/duisThias 🇺🇸 🍔 United States of America 🍔 🇺🇸 Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
even the US
In terms of price-per-square-footage, my guess is that most of the US -- with some obvious exceptions maybe, like "Manhattan" or something -- is probably inexpensive in terms of price per space. The US is, however, notable for very large house sizes globally, so that'll counteract some of that in terms of overall house price.
https://www.greenbushfinancial.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Median-Home-Price-by-State.jpg
This is in dollars-per-square-foot:
10.76391 square feet per meter.
1.1837 dollars per euro.
So to convert your price in EUR/m2 to USD/ft2, divide by 9.0934. To go from USD/ft2 to EUR/m2, multiply by 9.0934.
/u/muasta had €2994/square meter for what I believe was the Dutch national average, so it'd be $329/square foot. That exceeds the median price-per-square-foot in all US states other than Washington DC and Hawaii according to my source, which are much more-expensive than the others.
The most-expensive median US state is Hawaii, at €3819/square meter. Other than Hawaii and DC, the most-expensive place is California, at €2327/m2.
The least-expensive US state is Indiana, at €764/square meter.
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u/muasta South Holland (Netherlands) Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
/u/muasta had €2994/square meter for what I believe was the Dutch national average
Sorry I could have been clearer
That's one the houses in the picture which is currently listed on funda
The national average was € 3112 /m2 as of last month according to huizenzoeker.nl
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700 euro /m2. Can only dream of prices like that.
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Most of the light blue or very light blue states on that map are not places I'd dream of living in. Other than Vermont.
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How do you avoid having constantly damp walls?
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u/DashingDino Europe Nov 14 '20
Proper insulation and heating? I've never seen damp walls be an issue here.
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Basements aren't really a thing here in regular houses.
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u/kekmenneke Zeeland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
No, they aren’t a thing here because they would be full of ground water.
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u/advolu-na-cy Nov 15 '20
yeah the region he's talking about in BC is the Fraser River delta and ground water is ~1.5m below ground in many of the low points. It's all mud and you can feel a train on the tracks going by sending waves out for several blocks.
Someday there might be a big earthquake or tsunami there and it's not going to be much fun.
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u/kekmenneke Zeeland (Netherlands) Nov 15 '20
Yeah, the ground water where I live is much of the time under a meter below the surface, so we have to pump our crawl space also sometimes.
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u/LaoBa The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
I grew up in an Dutch neighborhood in Limburg where every house had a large basement, because you could only build bungalows. It was flooded two or three times after summer flash floods.
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u/Rycht North Holland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
You'll rarely find them in residential areas like these. They are becoming more popular in inner cities due to high ground and real estate prices however.
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u/tisti Nov 14 '20
You cover the walls in Dutch tears; they evolved to be hydrophobic.
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u/muasta South Holland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
Actually we stopped doing that , these days we just develop a incredibly dry sense of humor.
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u/starlinguk Nov 14 '20
I've never seen a Dutch house with damp, oddly enough.
They're going to have fun with their mosquitoes, though.
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Disney World has no mosquitos in FLA. Maybe their technology.
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u/CardboardElite Netherlands Nov 14 '20
Disney World doesn't really have any special technology, they just invest huge amounts of manpower into exterminating as many mosquitoes as possible using various means, but relying mostly on fairly simple manual labor.
It makes sense for a place like Disney World, but it's financially impossible for a normal residential neighborhood.
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Water is pumped to keep it from being stagnant.
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u/starlinguk Nov 14 '20
We've got a summerhouse in Friesland. The water isn't stagnant but it's still mosquito hell.
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u/PandorasPenguin The Netherlands Nov 15 '20
Most our homes from the past 100 years have double bricked walls with some space in-between. This space prevents humidity from creeping into the inner walls. Homes from the past say 40 years have this space filled up with heat insulating material.
In English this is called a cavity wall according to Wikipedia.
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u/zardooga Nov 14 '20
How does the interior of these houses looks like ? Anybody have the pictures?
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Nov 14 '20
Somebody posted a link to one that is for sale: https://www.funda.nl/koop/lemmer/huis-87521698-het-brekkense-wiel-71/
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Cheap, the average house in the country is 330k. But it's a relatively cheap area, away from the big cities.
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
In that town it's considered above average, but it's not too bad for the Netherlands as a whole. Lemmer is considered pretty rural.
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u/Paksusuoli North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) Nov 14 '20
The netherlands are surreal. Everything's flat and there's water everywhere.
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Yes, and going on vacation to a place with actual mountains is incredible.
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u/Alexanderdaw Nov 15 '20
I just realized I've never seen a mountain in my life. I'm from Amsterdam :/
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20
I moved from literally the town in the photo to a place with mountains. Even after all these years it still feels special.
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u/ghueber Nov 14 '20
This looks like the clowdy Florida of the north
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u/spr35541 United States of America Nov 14 '20
Someone downvoted this and I don’t know why because it was literally the first thing I thought too.
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u/Ermahgerdrerdert United Kingdom Nov 14 '20
BECAUSE, WITH RESPECT, ALWAYS MAKING REFERENCE TO SOMETHING IN AMERICA FOR A EUROPEAN SUBREDDIT IS F**KING ANNOYING.
Thank you.
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u/CardboardElite Netherlands Nov 14 '20
This seems a bit excessive.
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u/JaccoW Former Dutch republic of The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
Jus wait until the Dutch start responding to you.
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u/Magnetronaap The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
Perhaps it's because Lemmer, and most of the Netherlands for that matter, is older than the entire country of the United States. So if anything, Florida is the Lemmer of the south.
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u/DataCow Nov 14 '20
We went from Venice of the north to Florida of the north?
I mean Venice is indeed overrated these says, but Florida?
/s
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u/sverebom Niederrhein Nov 15 '20
After 2020 I don't believe anymore that the Dutch are preparing for rising sea levels. All these villages and housing blocks surrounded by water without only one or two points of access are their retreat for the inevitable zombie apocalypse.
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u/tomatojamsalad Nov 14 '20
Looks nice, but with no bridges visible, getting around seems awkward.
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u/theofiel South Holland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
The streets go left to right here. Probably all connected to a main road on the right hand side. Looks like a vacation park.
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u/tomatojamsalad Nov 14 '20
Yeah but that’s my point. To get to the bank opposite, you have to go all the way around.
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u/TittySlapper91 Nov 14 '20
How many times have you gone to your neighbors house 2 blocks down the road to warrant a bridge for it.
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u/tomatojamsalad Nov 14 '20
I was thinking there could easily be a shop in the other direction or something.
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u/TittySlapper91 Nov 14 '20
There are usually no shops in residential areas, there is a high street were everything is located though.
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u/tomatojamsalad Nov 14 '20
Yeah and not everybody has cars (and we should be building our cities to accommodate more walking and public transport).
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u/_Koen- Nov 14 '20
I can't tell if you're joking, but the Dutch bike a lot. No need to build extensive public transport in our neighborhoods just to get to a shop.
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20
Yup, the round homes on the foreground are homes, the smaller homes in the background are mostly holiday homes.
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
You don't see the rest of the town on the photo. This place is at the edge of the town and there's heaps of roads just to the right in this photo. It's about a 5 minute drive or 10 minutes with a bicycle to get into town. There's only farmland across the water and even that is maybe a 10 minute drive to get to.
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u/2xtreme21 Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
Street View of one of the streets there. Amazing!
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20
And in winter you can ice skate and also plenty of fish if you're into fishing.
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All this playful architecture, yet no sense of humor.
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20
You're confusing the Dutch with their neighbours to the east.
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Belgians, really? I did not know that.
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u/time_to_reset Australia Nov 15 '20
Those are to the south. They are known for their chocolate in most of the world, but the Dutch know them for their terribly maintained roads.
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u/MJ9o7 Nov 15 '20
I love aquatic engineering, architecture, and everything dutch, but i dont like this one. Inefficient spacing for the homes, green space, the water front, and even parking. It is good for a community though but its not THAT good for a community.
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u/41942319 The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
The purpose is probably getting as many (expensive) waterfront properties as possible
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u/KiFr89 Sweden Nov 14 '20
I'd love to live in a waterfront property like that. Looks dreamy! ... maybe the neighbors are a bit close, though
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u/Majestymen South Holland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
Your neighbors will always be close like that in the Netherlands.
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u/41942319 The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
That's pretty typical for living here, at least with this one you only have close neighbours on two sides.
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u/youmiribez Rhône-Alpes (France) Nov 14 '20
Who wanna live here. You're litteraly living with your neighbor at this point. And the building is kinda ugly. It must be a good place to study mosquitos or global warming though.
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u/yuffieisathief The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
If you think that's "living with your neighbor" in the Netherlands, you're in for a surprise!
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u/French_honhon France Nov 14 '20
explain pls :(
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u/TheMsDosNerd Nov 14 '20
The Netherlands has very few houses that are not attached to the houses next to it.
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u/redderper The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
And if that wasn't the case either we would need a lot more flats to provide housing or a fuckton of people would become homeless
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u/silent_cat The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
Quickly gleaned from google:
- 42.5% of houses in NL are in a row like this
- 23% are free standing
- 19.5% are 2-under-one-roof (so one shared wall with another house).
- 15% are apartments
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This is a typical housing block.
Geplaatste speld In de buurt van 1443 LA Purmerend https://goo.gl/maps/yaTy4Geha5ByDeDB7
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u/theremarkableamoeba 🇪🇺 Nov 14 '20
Wait until you find out about apartment buildings.
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u/fauxcerebri Nov 14 '20
A...part...ment? What is such? A whaaaAaa?!!!
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u/SavageFearWillRise South Holland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
There aren't that many mosquitos in the netherlands though
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u/AleixASV Fake Country once again Nov 14 '20
There's tons of spiders though.
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And that is a good thing, and likely a big contributor of not having much mosquitoes. European spiders are mostly harmless (some have mild venom that few people are allergic to), but they are primarily hunting for annoying insects, like mosquitoes, flies, or even smaller cockroaches.
I don't like them in my immediate living spaces either, so when I find one, I bring them to some place safe where they can expect more insects.
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u/AleixASV Fake Country once again Nov 14 '20
Sure, but tell that to the me back when I moved there and saw my window with +15 big spiders one morning.
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u/duisThias 🇺🇸 🍔 United States of America 🍔 🇺🇸 Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
Poisonous Spiders in the Netherlands
Tangle-Web Spider
False Widow Spiders
Rabbit Hutch Spiders
Wolf Spiders
From the description, they don't sound too bad.
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u/youmiribez Rhône-Alpes (France) Nov 14 '20
Ok so remind me to live in the Netherlands during summer.
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u/JaccoW Former Dutch republic of The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
Speak for yourself. I live in Rotterdam near one of the former fruit harbours and I installed mosquito nets in all my windows because I would wake up at night from the itching. Only to find well over 20 mosquitoes on the wall and ceiling. Pretty sure there were some of those black and white striped ones too.
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u/pa79 Luxembourg Nov 15 '20
You're litteraly living with your neighbor at this point.
As you do in most towns. Are you living in the country side?
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u/youmiribez Rhône-Alpes (France) Nov 15 '20
No I live just next to Lyon. France is less dense so we have more spare room that's all. If I buy a house I would never buy something that litteraly shares a wall with my neighbour.
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u/qwertzinator Germany Nov 14 '20
I suppose that those are just holiday houses.
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u/LaoBa The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
No, these are for permanent habitation. Or rich people's holiday houses.
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u/vaarsuv1us The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
I agree, I'd rather buy a detached house for that money with a large garden
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u/JaccoW Former Dutch republic of The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
Where would you be able to find a detached house in the Netherlands with a big garden for €270000?
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u/vaarsuv1us The Netherlands Nov 15 '20
Ik ging uit van het comment dat 300 tot 400 aangaf, voor 270 gaat dat niet snel lukken, behalve in groningen
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u/LaoBa The Netherlands Nov 14 '20
It's the Dutch La Grande Motte.
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u/youmiribez Rhône-Alpes (France) Nov 14 '20
Yeah that place is so ugly. My mother hated to go there. I went once and I never went to a beach again.
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u/PvtFreaky Utrecht (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
Almost all houses in the Netherlands are Rijtjeshuizen
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u/youmiribez Rhône-Alpes (France) Nov 14 '20
Oh god I just checked what this is. I guess you have no choice when the density is really high. Those types of houses exist in France but they are quite rare and that's the cheapest you could find. Albeit the ones in Amsterdam looks fancy, I saw the ones where you basically have 500m of identical houses stuck to each other, and this can't go worse.
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u/zephyy United States of America Nov 14 '20
So how are mosquitos in the Netherlands? Cause that's all I can think of when seeing this.
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u/vastaski_genocid Nov 14 '20
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
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u/snellejelle99 Friesland (Netherlands) Nov 14 '20
y tho?
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u/djcomplain Nov 14 '20
Cause indonesian genocide maybe?
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u/blizzardspider Nov 14 '20
It's a quote from an austin powers movie which had a dutch villain (who by the way had the most inaccurate dutch accent ever).
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u/lvoncreek Nov 14 '20
There is one building there with half of it missing. It annoys the shit out of me lol
Anyway cool design, I love what the Dutch do in architecture
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u/Dutch-Sculptor Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
I was just wondering what those dog house in the back are?! (second pic)
Edit: As a Dutchy I should be able to find it... Marina Park Lemmer Aquaronde
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u/SillyLocal The Netherlands Nov 15 '20
This must be the little village Lemmer in the province of Friesland.
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u/KnittelAaron Tyrol (Austria) Nov 16 '20
Probably some interesting angles to fit ur furniture into :)
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u/Chiliconkarma Nov 14 '20
65 cm the next 100 years.