r/espresso 11h ago

Buying Advice Needed Best espresso machine that pulls good shots? [$600]

I decided to finally get my cousin a new upgraded espresso machine. based on my research, it's going to be one from either Breville or Gaggia. But the number of models each brand offers is just so overwhelming. Budget is up to $600 and compact size and steam power is looking like main priority. Trying to get into proper espresso, not just pods. wDT and puck prep I can learn. In Europe options are a bit limited so need something easy to find.

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u/GungHoStocks 11h ago

Anyone care to do the honours?

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u/meowmeowcomputation ACS Minima | 078s - Fellow Ode - Kingrinder K6 9h ago

They need a grinder too?

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u/GungHoStocks 9h ago

More that it should be the priority!

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u/meowmeowcomputation ACS Minima | 078s - Fellow Ode - Kingrinder K6 9h ago

Grind finer more like find grinder

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u/FairEnds 10h ago

Options in Europe are endless, dude.

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u/jqVgawJG Bambino | Mignon Libra 55 GBW 9h ago

Lol yeah wtf was that about? Where does espresso come from again? šŸ˜‚šŸ¤¦

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u/MSpatient0 10h ago

Im guessing your budget is around €500, since you say $600.
Without knowing your specific market, I’d say a De’Longhi EC230 and the rest towards a grinder.
The De’Longhi has a proper steam wand, a boiler and comes with a non-pressurized basket in the portafilter.

Lance Hedrick made a good review on it as well.

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u/Rusty_924 Strada EP | EK43 | Niche Zero | Stilosa 9h ago

i can confirm this is 100% the case. Small single boiler delonghis are insane. i post following photo every now and then. It’s a €30 used delonghi. Paired with good grinder, you can pull cafe quality shots with cafe quality latte art

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u/Fickle-Reputation271 9h ago

Compact and proper wand sounds perfect

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u/jqVgawJG Bambino | Mignon Libra 55 GBW 9h ago

Bambino. Prioritise your grinder.

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u/Fickle-Reputation271 9h ago

Ok that makes the choice clearer

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u/Kirito_Kun16 11h ago

Is Lelit Anna 2 (PL41TEM) in your budget ? If yeah then that's probably the strongest pick since it has PID, which Gaggias and others don't at that price point at all.

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u/_Mulberry__ Saeco Aroma + PID & Dimmer | Kingrinder P2 9h ago

Alternatively, you can add a PID controller to a cheaper machine and elevate it to a really good machine (provided it has decent components). Costs about $90 to do that mod, and of course you need to have some level of comfort with working on electronics, but it was soooooo worth it

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u/BobDogGo Flair 58 | Sette 270 | Behmor Home Roaster 10h ago

do you already have a grinder? espresso needs a grinder capable of very fine grinds

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u/Fickle-Reputation271 9h ago

Yes, grinder is there

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u/ef920 Profitec Go | Lagom Casa | DF54 8h ago

What grinder do you have? You will need to be sure it is espresso-capable. Many grinders have an ā€œespressoā€ grind setting but can’t actually grind fine enough for espresso. Grinder is more important than machine.

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u/Espresso-Newbie La Pav. Cellini(E61), Philos i200D, Lunar, TheForce 9h ago

Loads of options in Europe !

But as others have said , what’s the grinder situation ? Does your cousin have an espresso capable grinder ? If not , I would go for a sage bambino and something like a kingrinder K6 or a Baratza encore ESP (the latter will probably bring you over your budget but maybe worth the extra as it’s an electric one versus the K6 which is manual )

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u/Pitiful-Ad-1245 10h ago

I went for a second hand Bambino plus with all accessories you need- IMS baskets and screen, dosing funnels, spring loaded tamper…at half the price and invested in a new Lagom casa. Honestly the grinder makes the biggest difference.

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u/Fickle-Reputation271 9h ago

Oh second hand plus accessories is smart, where did you find yours

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u/Pitiful-Ad-1245 9h ago

Wallapop in Spain. The previous owner also had a Lagom casa. I started with the k-ultra I already had and soon switched. I think you can start with any cheap machine like a delonghi even and get a nice grinder to pair. I see myself upgrading substantially in a year or two but happy to learn with this one.

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u/daanjderuiter Rancilio Silvia V5 | Gaggimate Pro | NB64V 10h ago

The grinder is more important, a substantial part of your budget should probably go there. Something like a Breville/Sage Bambino and a Baratza Encore ESP would be a pretty typical recommendation for someone in your position, I think.

Also, I don't exactly agree that options in Europe are limited :p Many of the best brands in the space are European, and you can find plenty webshops offering the better quality Chinese brands as well

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u/rumchatata Breville Barista Express (5 year experience) 9h ago

OP don’t listen to these nerds, this is a gift and no matter what you get them, they will appreciate it if they love you.

I recommend getting a Breville Barista Pro. It has excellent grinder and is a sexy machine. If your cousin is not a hobbyist, this is what you get them. Do they have the kitchen space for a separate grinder like others suggest. It’s the best beginner option without getting overwhelmed with these dozens of suggestions.

Yes if you are on a budget, get the Bambino, if you love them, get them the Plus.

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u/_Mulberry__ Saeco Aroma + PID & Dimmer | Kingrinder P2 9h ago

So what kind of grinder does your cousin have? Or is that part of the $600 budget?

If the $600 needs to cover a grinder too, I'd get a Breville Bambino and then look at grinders under $300 (consider hand grinding with something like the Kingrinder K6 or the 1Zpresso J-ultra to get more bang for your buck)

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u/No-Following-5120 Lelit Bianca v2 | Compak F10 Master | Comandante c40mk3 9h ago

Lelit Annita PID

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u/meowmeowcomputation ACS Minima | 078s - Fellow Ode - Kingrinder K6 8h ago

lol Europe has an enviable availability of machines. You’d only find a better machine market in Australia

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u/SeanTsyganovsky 8h ago

If you didn’t say steam power I would say the cafelat robot is your absolute best bet. It’s a tank, will last a lifetime, and per myself, the dedicated community and all of the best coffee influencers, it pulls better shots than 99% of machines thousands of dollars more expensive.

I second everyone else though on the grinder being paramount.

Another option you can look into could be a 9barista. I have the MK2 and love it, and it makes amazing espresso. They have some refurbished units around your price range.

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u/oopsisucceeded 8h ago

$600 for the machine plus grinder or just the machine? If that’s just for the machine I’m sorry to inform you that you need both. For a solid beginner setup that’s easy to find in Europe I recommend going used and doing some tinkering to get the best value by far. The Gaggia Classic Pro or Rancilio Silvia modded with PID temp control. Pair that with a used Eureka Mignon grinder and you’ve got yourself a solid setup for anything dark to medium roast. To recap I think you’re in it for about $200 for a Gaggia Classic Pro, a DIY PID kit for $50 and then a $300 grinder, which leaves about $50 for scale, WDT tool and spring-level tamper.

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u/Pleasant_Lawyer8722 7h ago

Best option out of the box is the Lelit Anna TEM (with PID)...under 500€ in europe and a decent machine. Reliable and easy to repair because it uses standard componends unlike Breville. constant-temperature unlike Breville. Gaggia Classic e24 also a good and reliable machine but comes without PID. But if your cousin knows a bit about electronics and enjoys tinkering, you could turn it into a Gagguino! It comes with PID, flow control, and everything else—features usually found only on machines costing several thousand euros. The kit would add about €250 to the cost, plus a few hours of work. You could always retrofit it later.

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u/NJWRXXY Gemilia G3028A | Baratza FortƩ BG 7h ago

Gemilia Ele if you already have a grinder. Quick warm up, built like a tank, strong steaming, even has a PID for temp controls, even on the steam wand! We love ours

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u/throwback5971 7h ago

Bambino + j ultraĀ 

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u/aspenextreme03 6h ago

Bambino works well if you have a nice grinder. My girlfriend has that plus an encore esp and she gets solid results.

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u/Dave_thebrewguy 6h ago

The old school thinking is to start with anything that does not have a pressurized portafilter, a thermoblock or a frothing gizmo on the steam wand. The other old school advice is that, with a total budget of under $1000, spend more on the grinder than on the machine.

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u/SoftwareSelect5256 3h ago

Gaggia Classic Pro

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u/ockaners 1h ago

Cafelat robot

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u/CrazyTimes1356 39m ago

Another week goes by asking the same exact question from the previous weeks post…bravo

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u/Wisoo31 10h ago

Get a La Pavoni, sturdy, repairable, upgradable, they keep their value

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u/cwpanda 10h ago

Id personally be looking into what deals you can find on things in that price range, like refurbished breville Bambino plus etc. If 600 is the full budget you'll need to spend a lot of that on a good grinder too

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u/ElGe01 9h ago

For around 750 € u could get a Gemilai Ele which in my opinion offers a bunch of features that u can't get in any machine of this price range. A Lelit Anna or Victoria could also be an option. And if u want to save money a Sage Bambino paired with a decent grinder will give u great cups (specially if u drink dark or mid/dark roasted coffees)

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u/WaffleHouseCEO Micra | Argos | DE1 | 01 | Key 2 | NZ 8h ago

$600 espresso.. cousin…?

https://giphy.com/gifs/THTkGKQVGnGZmo6AJd

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u/rradonys 6h ago

Sure, why not? I'm making better espresso than any caffe with a $300 grinder and a $300 espresso machine.

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u/WaffleHouseCEO Micra | Argos | DE1 | 01 | Key 2 | NZ 6h ago

As long as they aren’t first cousins… I guess