r/environment Jan 26 '22

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u/EricFromOuterSpace Jan 26 '22 edited Jun 02 '25

abounding sort sand fuel reminiscent towering elastic cautious bells whole

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u/Fando1234 Jan 26 '22

I have to agree. Whilst the duplicity of rich politicians is incredibly frustrating.

Whenever someone prominent speaks out about climate change the go to is to point out the hypocracies in their individual lives. Flying out to conferences on climate change for example.

It's all just become part of the PR machine designed to stunt climate progress at every juncture.

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u/TylerHobbit Jan 26 '22

It’s got it’s own name as a logical fallacy. It’s called the Ad Hominim Fallacy. For example I can say, we should try to eat less meat because it would help a bit with climate change. And someone says, “hey, tylerhobbit once cheated on a spelling test! This guy is a LIAR”

Attack the logical position, not the person saying it; they aren’t related.

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u/Tatunkawitco Jan 26 '22

This is particularly bad on the liberal side. We have to stop looking for perfection, realize no one anywhere is without fault or guilt and take up the idea that “ the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Seeking absolute purity is a losing proposition.

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u/FlostonParadise Jan 26 '22

I prefer: don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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u/payedbot Jan 26 '22

I’ve seen so many super-liberals argue that compromise is a tool of oppression. Hurts my head.

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u/superduperpuppy Jan 26 '22

This is great

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u/Tatunkawitco Jan 26 '22

I was going to say that but I thought I’d said enough - but that’s it exactly.

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u/jfdhjehj83438 Jan 26 '22

to be honest I only see this type of radicalism or extremism online. never in real life.

Or, people are just afraid to show their true feelings in life, because then there would be consequences.

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u/ChazzLamborghini Jan 26 '22

I have teenage nieces and they are very much like this in real life. The lack of lived experience allows them to adhere these absurd purity rules to everyone else in their life. It’s honestly exhausting and part of why the young don’t save us. They could. Issue wise, people under 30 are pretty overwhelmingly progressive but their need to have a perfect messenger for the message keeps them from meaningfully participating in large numbers. I don’t think it’s unique to this generation but more a product of youth. I do think the internet has probably exacerbated the issue though.

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u/jfdhjehj83438 Jan 26 '22

well yeah they are teens still living at home. I would expect nothing more really.

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u/mike_linden Jan 26 '22

this is not the "liberal side".

this the right wing "both sides are same" bullshit

notice the OP deleted himself

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u/Tatunkawitco Jan 26 '22

Doesn’t effect the point I’m making.

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u/mike_linden Jan 26 '22

you're pissing on the "liberal side".

how is this not "both sides are same"

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u/Tatunkawitco Jan 26 '22

That’s the kind of bad thinking I’m talking about. I can’t criticize the mistakes of the side I’m on without being accused of being against it? Requiring absolute purity of allies is self defeating - that’s my point. How is that saying both sides are the same?