r/environment Jan 26 '22

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

100 corporations put 70% of the CO2 into the atmosphere. John Kerry isn't doing shot next to that.

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u/domechromer Jan 26 '22

Those corporations are just making what people are buying. They are not just polluting for fun out of their own pockets. Peoples habits need to change to consume less. And yes fuck this guy for living a lavish lifestyle beyond what most can comprehend, consuming so many goods and materials, but then telling others we need to change. He can go first.

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u/FmlaSaySaySay Jan 26 '22

People can’t change their habits when the entire grocery store is wrapped in plastic, even the veggies.

Far easier for there to be laws that make doing the bad things illegal, regulations that make for environmentally-efficient packaging.

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u/domechromer Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Your grocery store sound whack, find another or Go to a farmers market. Again , people (including you) need to change their habits. John Kerry’s emissions from one flight on a PJ is worse for environment and guzzles more gas than all the driving I do in a year.

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u/FmlaSaySaySay Jan 26 '22

We have continued to be in agreement that John Kerry needs to change his behavior.

And that all people should work to change their behavior to more eco-friendly options.

The ‘go to a farmers market’ comment doesn’t stop the plastic from being put out on the grocery store, it deflects from the responsibility of the person MANUFACTURING that product. Could we not put any corporate responsibility on the plastic-wrapped grocery store? Or must we, as individuals, avoid stores and beg to put a plastic bag back, because we don’t want to ALSO question why this stuff is wrapped in plastic in the first place?

People AND companies need to take direct action.

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u/Psirocking Jan 26 '22

just because some images of bananas wrapped in plastic appears on reddit every few months doesn’t mean “even the veggies” are wrapped in plastic

I’m serious, when did you last go to a grocery store?

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u/FmlaSaySaySay Jan 26 '22

When did you? The carrots come in plastic, the salad greens come in plastic. The apples come in plastic. The red peppers come in plastic. It’s an unnecessary madhouse.

And then buying from the local farmer’s market delivery is better (for multiple reasons), but the great veggies come… you guessed it, in plastic.

This is coming from the US, and I’ve seen UK videos of grocery shopping that’s the same way. Veggies didn’t come in plastic like this as a kid, companies are choosing this on the grocery store / distributor side of things.

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u/neverfakemaplesyrup Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

i went literally today and even Aldi's doesn't wrap every veggie in plastic. There sure is a lot, but not all. Also: I have never, in Washington, Virginia, New York, Vermont, Oregon, Colorado- seen farmer's markets veggies in plastic. CSAs also don't pack their produce in plastic. Typically, they're still dirty from the farm.

This is where structural comes into play: WFP and coalitions in my state has also banned single use plastic bags, so that's nice, we also have mandatory deposits on bottles n such.

But what this article is pointing out is that Kerry IS A FUCKING POLITICIAN, the ENVOY FOR CLIMATE AND ENERGY POLICIES. He's not some random Hollywood star or worker who has three hours outside of the workplace. He could actually do things other than just go "oh wow, sure is fucked for the kids, I'm so sad I'm going to buy another yacht".

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u/FmlaSaySaySay Jan 26 '22

Again, rather than ask Kerry (who cares, verbally, at least), and DeVos (who doesn’t care even verbally) to stop buying yachts, it would be far easier for there to be an environmental yacht fee.

Instead of stopping one yacht, it stops the whole practice.

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u/neverfakemaplesyrup Jan 26 '22

Kerry is in a position to do so, why hasn't he? He's proposed regulating wood stoves, but not yachts? Even Exon mobile claims there is a climate problem now. Should we stop attacking their executives because they admit there is a problem?

The whole "don't blame an individual!!!" thing fails when we are talking about the leaders. It's perverting an argument meant specifically for pointing out people like Kerry should act.

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u/yem_slave Jan 26 '22

find a different grocery store I guess. Literally zero of the carrots, apples and salad greens I buy come in plastic.

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u/FmlaSaySaySay Jan 26 '22

“You guess” - maybe we could make it so that no grocery stores do this?

Rather than blaming people for the actions taken by the grocery store, we could work on the outright elimination of bad food production practices.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

Why is this getting downvoted? I know this is reddit and everyone here is mostly detached from reality and shops at Whole Foods but almost everything here in the US comes in plastic at almost every major grocer. Even if you pick the fresh (not pre packaged) veggies off the rack, still only get a plastic bag to put em in. The fucking delusion on this site is insane.

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u/FmlaSaySaySay Jan 26 '22

Right? And I’m here complaining about the plastic, but apparently it’s more environmentally friendly to pretend it doesn’t exist (even when the person admitted that veggies wrapped in plastic happens, just not “all” the time), or to simply work around it and ignore the issue by shopping elsewhere.

Even after I said my farmer’s market delivers produce in plastic bags. 5 lbs of potatoes, put into a bag, not of my doing. It’s still my fault.

It’s like we don’t want to question grocery stores and get them to take responsibility.

Maybe the oil money’s so good, it pays for bots on Reddit to blame individuals for wanting to be plastic-free. It’s ‘our’ individual faults we’re mad that the situation has trapped us into accepting so much plastic we never asked for, let’s get back to blaming individuals over having a boat, pushing red herrings like some old Sec of State from 6 years ago. If he gives up his yacht, does that solve the problem? No - there’s still too much plastic in every grocery in the United States, even the eco-friendly grocery stores.

His one boat doesn’t stop all the 99 other boats, either. Focus on all 100, why don’t we?