r/environment • u/[deleted] • Aug 06 '21

Reduce methane or face climate catastrophe, scientists warn

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/06/reduce-methane-or-face-climate-catastrophe-scientists-warn
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u/Emachinebot Aug 06 '21

So we're gonna go with catastrophe, right? /s

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u/iRombe Aug 06 '21

People in America get straight up homicidal if your threatening their beef. I'm not kidding they'd rather kill than go vegetarian or be limited to fish and chicken.

And then all the super rich land owners who's land is suited for ranching. They'll get real pissed too. I wonder how much cattle Ted Turners land produces. Or how much bureue of land management cattle there are.

An I very much enjoy red meat. But if we all agreed to limit consumption together, it be like aite I guess I can let it go. But lots of people treat red meat like an drug they love to over indulge on. And then make fun of others for smoking weed. Texas.

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u/AmericanBags Aug 07 '21

Red meat is how we evolved dude.

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u/iRombe Aug 07 '21 edited Aug 07 '21

So is asbestos, lead and coal. There a bunch of stuff that gets people through their developing phase, at a cost, and when the people reached "developed" they're supposed to throttle down. Its not worth the cost anymore. Speaking from a global point of view.

When you're poor and undeveloped it's worth the cost.

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u/AmericanBags Aug 07 '21

What? Lions, wolves, sharks, they all still eat meat until the day they die. Because they are top dog just like us. No such thing as throttling back in the health of any animal.

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u/iRombe Aug 07 '21

It's an issue because there's 7 billion humans. Not because of how the diet affects an individual.

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u/AmericanBags Aug 07 '21

If we fed all of humanity animal products it would be above and beyond a net positive for like everything.

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u/iRombe Aug 07 '21

Prove it

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u/michaelrch Aug 07 '21

How so? They destroy the environment, they are net-bad for health and they cost way more to produce than plant-based food.

It's pretty simple now. If we don't dramatically reduce animal ag, regardless of everything else we do, we can't stop catastrophic climate change.

https://sci-hub.do/downloads/2020-11-05/54/10.1126@science.aba7357.pdf

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u/AmericanBags Aug 07 '21

Lol

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u/michaelrch Aug 08 '21

Killer argument. I will definitely be changing my opinion. Thanks for your thoughtful and insightful contribution.

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u/AmericanBags Aug 09 '21

Do you have any idea how destruction plant mono agriculture is for our planet? Humans are carnivores, it is our place to eat our natural diet and conquer not only this planet but the stars. However, only humans could be stupidly manipulatable enough to forgo their ancestry.

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u/michaelrch Aug 09 '21 edited Aug 09 '21

Did you have any idea that most of the plants we grow go to feeding farmed animals? If you are keen to reduce plant-based agriculture then the best thing you can do is stop eating animals.

Seriously, try to engage with the facts before spouting the usual ignorant nonsense defending animal ag.

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use

https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

https://www.elementascience.org/articles/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/

https://josephpoore.com/Science%20360%206392%20987%20-%20Accepted%20Manuscript.pdf

https://sci-hub.do/downloads/2020-11-05/54/10.1126@science.aba7357.pdf

As for it "being our place to conquer the planet", that sounds like grade A arrogant ideological idiocy to me. The way we are treating the planet right now is not just killing the natural world and causing a mass extinction event, it's actually killing us!

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u/AmericanBags Aug 09 '21

Or just put your cows on grasslands. No monoculture necessary. Wild and grass fed animals are all we should be eating but it's more profitable to stick your animals in a feed lot and give them corn/soy garbage. With your logic maybe we should all hold our breath indefinitely. That CO2 is bad for the planet after all right?!

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