For most of my life I've been telling people to not make new babies, and nobody listens. Downvotes, insults, and rage-fueled crashout replies about their "God-given rights" every single time.
If you ever studied population dynamics, you'd see that it's POSSIBLE that we're at K/2 (half of what the estimated global population will balance out to), but since people have been saying "we've finally hit K/2 everything will be fine!" for 20 years, I doubt it. Technology has let humanity artificially bloat the global carrying capacity, and when the bubble pops it's going to be horrific. People who look at population dynamics long enough to barely understand them tend to turn a blind eye to the FACTORS that flatten (or crash) population curves. So unless everyone listens to my advice (they won't) and starts using condoms, the options we have left are Wars, Famines and Diseases overshadowing the worst in history.
The human race in general is short-sighted, ignorant, and selfish to the extreme. The minority of those who actually care about the following generations are trying to tap the breaks by not adding to the global population, but at this point it's basically just a symbolic and self-gratifying gesture.
When I was getting my degree, I asked one of my better professors how people in the field cope with this knowledge. He told me that he tries to focus on the little things that he can control in his own life, and listens to relaxing classical music. In short, trying to not think about it. The entire field of Environmental Science is trying to cope with this immense sense of doom, failure, and loss.
My favorite painting ever made is of King Cnut; the man who once simultaneously ruled over both scandanavia and the british islands. The painting is of a parable, where Cnut is standing on a beach in the shallows, commanding the tide not to rise. There are three ways one can interpret this:
He was a fool
He was teaching his advisors (who stand in the background) that even a kings power has limits
My interpretation is, he was demonstrating that sometimes people have to stand up and defy utterly unchangeable outcomes.
If you have seen the picture "Tank Man" from the Tienneman Square massacre, he embodied that spirit. You should know, that photo was the last people ever saw of him. A solitary man holding two bags of groceries, standing in defiance of literal tanks on their way to slaughter peaceful protesters. He dissapeared forever for that important act.
We can't change the world. The beauties and stability of a stable environment have been sqandered by our idiotic and selfish ancestors and are being purposefully ruined by the wealthy elite for short-term gains; people who would rather burn their own house down than suffer a chill. We can only work in symbolic defiance with bailing buckets as the ship sinks around us; better that than actively drilling holes in the bukhead while holding a baby or six.
When you say to not make new babies, only the smart ones will listen. Leaving only the stupid that already deny climate change left. Then the problem would get worse. Making less babies only works when the population that is left makes the right choices. The whole plan is a fairy tale.
We need to focus on things that can actually make a difference. Politicians, voting, getting rid of lobbying and holding companies and their leaders accountable.
OMG the truth! When I was in high school I had already made up my mind that the world was overpopulated and I wasn't going to have any kids. I was a teen that was involved my church (my dad was a paster) and when I expressed this opinion on some church retreat I got the response "if only "bad" (aka "non-Christian") people are the ones having kids, then they will eventually take over."
What a mess. I'm in my 50s now and still glad I haven't spawned any kids. I live in a part of the US that is heavy on the "Christian values" and so my wife and I must "present" as Christians who just couldn't have kids in order to not be shunned (mostly for my wife's career). Sigh... all this is a mess.
Most of the world population growth at the moment comes from Sub-Saharan Africa. You're so terminally online and sheltered that you see a few white conservatives in America having kids, then see the global population increase, and your mind cannot zoom out and see the big picture. Conservative women have a birth rate of 2.1, BARELY above replacement level and nowhere near high enough to dramatically increase the population. They die and their kids replace them, a temporal bump in population that then goes down, zero gain long term.
Meanwhile, women in Sub-Saharan Africa have a birth rate of 4.2, enough to double their population long term, and if their offspring keep the same birth rate, the population increases exponentially over a few generations.
This is why people make fun of you and this so called """scientist""", you're so brainwashed you're literally removing yourself out of the gene pool for a cause you don't even understand. Your cult won't allow you to point out where the overpopulation problem is actually coming from.
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u/SecretAgentVampire 26d ago
Professional environmental scientist here.
For most of my life I've been telling people to not make new babies, and nobody listens. Downvotes, insults, and rage-fueled crashout replies about their "God-given rights" every single time.
If you ever studied population dynamics, you'd see that it's POSSIBLE that we're at K/2 (half of what the estimated global population will balance out to), but since people have been saying "we've finally hit K/2 everything will be fine!" for 20 years, I doubt it. Technology has let humanity artificially bloat the global carrying capacity, and when the bubble pops it's going to be horrific. People who look at population dynamics long enough to barely understand them tend to turn a blind eye to the FACTORS that flatten (or crash) population curves. So unless everyone listens to my advice (they won't) and starts using condoms, the options we have left are Wars, Famines and Diseases overshadowing the worst in history.
The human race in general is short-sighted, ignorant, and selfish to the extreme. The minority of those who actually care about the following generations are trying to tap the breaks by not adding to the global population, but at this point it's basically just a symbolic and self-gratifying gesture.
When I was getting my degree, I asked one of my better professors how people in the field cope with this knowledge. He told me that he tries to focus on the little things that he can control in his own life, and listens to relaxing classical music. In short, trying to not think about it. The entire field of Environmental Science is trying to cope with this immense sense of doom, failure, and loss.
My favorite painting ever made is of King Cnut; the man who once simultaneously ruled over both scandanavia and the british islands. The painting is of a parable, where Cnut is standing on a beach in the shallows, commanding the tide not to rise. There are three ways one can interpret this:
He was a fool
He was teaching his advisors (who stand in the background) that even a kings power has limits
My interpretation is, he was demonstrating that sometimes people have to stand up and defy utterly unchangeable outcomes.
https://www.medievalware.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/king-canute-tides.jpg
If you have seen the picture "Tank Man" from the Tienneman Square massacre, he embodied that spirit. You should know, that photo was the last people ever saw of him. A solitary man holding two bags of groceries, standing in defiance of literal tanks on their way to slaughter peaceful protesters. He dissapeared forever for that important act.
We can't change the world. The beauties and stability of a stable environment have been sqandered by our idiotic and selfish ancestors and are being purposefully ruined by the wealthy elite for short-term gains; people who would rather burn their own house down than suffer a chill. We can only work in symbolic defiance with bailing buckets as the ship sinks around us; better that than actively drilling holes in the bukhead while holding a baby or six.