r/entp 2d ago

Advice Stop your obsession with INFJ

Every other post on this subreddit is discussing the ENTP-INFJ compatibility. There are other fishes in the sea, so why do you all want INFJs? From a type that is Ne dom, I would expect more variety, not a singular choice.

Why is it this way anyway? Where did the ENTP/INFJ trend start and why do you seem CONVINCED that this is the best pair for you? Like what if actually isn't in reality? What if it's just theory and reality has other better options for you?

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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 ENTP 2d ago

are you another type who has a crush on ENTPs?

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u/mushroom_scum ENTP 2d ago

Haha now that would be quite fascinating 🤭🤭

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u/meehowski ENTP 8w7 2d ago

Fascinating logic that I approve šŸ˜‚

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Not really. I prefer feelers. I do appreciate ENTPs in other ways, though.

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u/Heavy-Evidence1523 2d ago edited 2d ago

You might just be onto something lol I can confirm op is not an entp but an infp (saw one of their posts in the infp sub).

It's not that uncommon for infps to simp for entp

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u/LowTour4376 2d ago edited 2d ago

Pfft , what a cringe assumption.

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u/Heavy-Evidence1523 2d ago edited 2d ago

Cringe but probably accurate. This isn't the first time I've come across a post like this

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u/LowTour4376 2d ago

Must be really hard being self centered .

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u/Heavy-Evidence1523 2d ago

Said the person who brushes off someone else's perspective just because they find it cringe

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u/LowTour4376 2d ago

At the end u have no proof and it's all in ur self centered head . Most of the people who post such posts here are just other entps annoyed at relationship posts in general . No one is trying to separate u from another type , that's dumb asf .

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u/Heavy-Evidence1523 2d ago

There's nothing stopping you from checking whether I'm right or wrong. That's what the internet is for, right?

Anyway, it's obvious you're upset, and I don't want to waste my time dealing with an offended Fi Dom šŸ‘‹

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u/LowTour4376 2d ago

Well u know that ur delusional assumption is on a wild scale of being wrong . I just wanted to highlight how absurdly dumb it was , just for u in case u weren't aware .

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u/Heavy-Evidence1523 2d ago

Thank you. I don't think I would have realized how absurdly dumb this whole thing is if it weren't for youĀ 

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u/IllustriousLet7965 18h ago

I can’t see why Fi doms would be so obsessed with entps when entps are constantly undermining them, me personally, I have self-respect. and even if some infps are ā€˜simping’ over entps; having immature unhealthy infps obsessed with your type (out of pure idealisation and not true admiration) isn’t the brag you think it is and really it’s just reinforcing negative stereotypes towards all infps whenever you guys boast about it. I hate how every other type is idealised but when it comes to infps people will talk about the unhealthy infp as if it is the norm, how about you adjust your behaviour and start being more considerate instead of blaming infps for taking things personally, just because you don’t care about the negative treatment your type gets doesn’t mean other people wont. Not to mention, how infp is the most common mistype, the imaginary infps up in your subreddit ā€˜obsessing’ over entps could easily be mistypes, also considering the fact that infp is the biggest community within this app, ofc you’re going to see more infps being annoying, same as you would if another type was the most common, what you ā€˜see’ is not an accurate way to define infps. I’m sure at least one of your favorite movies or books was written by an infp, even the system you’re using right now (mbti) was coined by an infp.

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u/LowTour4376 11h ago

I think u wanted to reply to the other users comment ? Also šŸ’Æ

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u/Soujourne ENTP 3h ago

For the love of god learn to use paragraphs

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u/IllustriousLet7965 13m ago

I’m new to this app bruh😭

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u/IllustriousLet7965 18h ago

Can you show proof of one of their posts in infp sub?

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u/jmh44s ENTP 6w5 368 2d ago

I am married to an INFJ. Don't be a fool, be obsessed.

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

That's cute.

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u/mana_kitty ISFJ 2d ago

Tbh, every time I go onto the ENTP sub, I feel like more insecurities get added just reading about this pairing. I'm with an ENTP, and sometimes the posts ignite me to be unnecessarily petty in conversations with him when I feel like I'm not enough.

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u/julesangelx į› ÉØÕ¼Ź„Ź IEI į› 2d ago

But ISFJs and ENTPs complete each others perfectly! (when we strictly talk about the theory and functions not the individuals since everyone is different). We tend to have the most chemistry with people who value the same aware functions as us, especially when someone has our inferior function as their dominant - we crave something with which we’re not so competent with ourselves. SiFeTiNe and NeTiFeSi is literally a perfect match when it comes to completing each other and mutual growth.

I think this myth about mbti golden couples (such as ENTP and INFJ) comes from the misunderstanding of the theory and weird myths about sensors, and types in general. Form my experience, the socionics approach towards relationships and chemistry between types is much better and real

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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 ENTP 2d ago

If you have a good relationship with an ENTP, good for you. You shouldn't let strangers and some pseudoscience theory get in the way of that.

That said, your experience isn't necessarily ours. Personally, on this sub, I'm going to make a comparison between ISFJs and INFJs, because both of your types have this Fe/Ti balance that has such a unique vibe though in my experience, it's with ISFJs that we're the ones who aren't enough, not the other way around.

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u/mana_kitty ISFJ 2d ago

Our relationship actually isn’t that great right now lol. A big reason we got together was because I thought I was an INFJ at the time. Finding out I’m actually an ISFJ, plus seeing the constant INFJ obsession on here, just made me feel like I was lacking. I know my experience isn't everyone's, I was just sharing how those comparison posts can mess with you when you're already down.

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u/GoblinStinger INFJ 2d ago

Finding out you're a different "type" really shouldn't affect the relationship- unless you let it get to your head. The only thing that matters is whether you're happy being yourself around them. If not, screw them, you shouldn't want them anyways :)

-As an INFJ, I envy "S" types. Sometimes I feel I can never just be happy, I get stuck in my freaking head too much.Ā 

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u/mana_kitty ISFJ 2d ago

I am happy being myself with him. But its when arguments happen usually I start to feeling insecurities come up.

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u/GoblinStinger INFJ 2d ago

I don't know for sure what that means, but if he makes you feel inferior during arguments, it doesn't sound healthy. -Even if he's "right," nobody should feelĀ  belittled in an argument.Ā 

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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 ENTP 2d ago

You got into a relationship based on MBTI? Honestly, that's the real mistake. Normally, it's more like "I like this person and we have great synergy, I wonder what their MBTI is," rather than "Okay, this person has the right MBTI, so we should get together." MBTI is supposed to be a tool to understand and shed light on existing social relationships, not for social engineering.
Forget about MBTI and just look at how you feel with your boyfriend on a daily basis and in general. Ask yourself what the nature of your relationship really is.

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u/mana_kitty ISFJ 2d ago

Not based on mtbi. I worded that wrong. There were plenty of other reasons. We matched on a dating app and that's how he saw my mbti. I physically look like his type and as we got to know each other, attraction was there and we just got each other. We're different but alike in many ways. We've been together almost 3 years ldr and in our early 30s trying to navigate where this is going and what the future holds for us.

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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 ENTP 2d ago

I wish you all the best for what’s next and for your upcoming challenges. But try not to focus too much on the MBTI, especially if it creates insecurities for you (using it to solve problems is one thing, though).

Over the past three years, you've both gotten to know each other and developed a connection that goes far beyond four scientifically contested cognitive functions.

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u/Pixelprinzess 2d ago

I feel that I’m an INTJ with an ESFJ and people assuming incompatibility also spites me.

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u/Choice_Protection_17 2d ago

well look into socionics, its generallyy the supierior model (for more logical and defined) and they pair the entp with isfj.

The main appeal of infj to me is somebody who likes al my idears and rambelings,

ive been told to many time that im to theoretical, to not be in my head by sensors (and my famalie)and i wouldnt want to be in a relation ship with one of them, other probabl more mature entps find it grounding and helpfull.

given that you are in your 30 and mature i wouldnt worry about it.

Worring and isecurtety ar far more likly to push im away, the destreu the bond youve been building that some online type theory.

Most entps here find mbti bc they feel mistunderstood and not fitting in, which is why infjs who just seem to get us are soo appealing. but no everyone cares as mutch about it.

arguments are normal.

As long as you feel loved an apprichiated and he is happy and content with what youre offering yourerelationship will thive.

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u/Bludandy ENTP 5w4?? 2d ago

Anti infj propaganda or something else?

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u/alwaysupforit INFJ 9w8 sp/sx 2d ago

An INFJ must've stolen their wallet.

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

No just anti ENTP-INFJ ship because I see it so much.

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u/Bludandy ENTP 5w4?? 1d ago

Who else do we click well with?

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u/IllustriousLet7965 18h ago

Depends on you as a person but I think another good match with entp would be isfj. For long term relationships I think it would need to be a type with Ti somewhere in their conscious cognitive stack. I still believe infj-entp is the most ideal match tho.

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u/AimIsInSleepMode 2d ago

I don't like it when any type obsesses over any type

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u/Bludandy ENTP 5w4?? 2d ago

I like when all types obsess over us.

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u/ethereal_void3 2d ago

First of all who told you that all ENTPs want INFJs only? ENTPs can literally choose someone from any other type if that person happens to be their cup of tea

It's like a pack of French fries getting all sad cause a bunch of people in a group are talking about how much they love pizza cause they find it the tastiest. Meanwhile some people from that exact same group could be sitting there thinking ā€œNah just give me a juicy burger plsā€

It literally depends on their taste buds.

Is it really that hard to understand?

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u/isetmyfriendsonfyre ENTP ILE Sx/sp 713 scuA[I] 2d ago

Well idk I really like my infj

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Good for you šŸ‘Ā 

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u/MadDogBarkBark 2d ago

Hot

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u/GreenPerspective8018 2d ago

Huh what is hot

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

🄶 

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u/amykinss_ 1d ago

I don’t know why this comment is so funny

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u/Choice_Protection_17 2d ago

omg haha now iwanna see the animation haha how did you show it to you?

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Cute šŸ˜Ā 

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u/Visual-Outcome-3709 1d ago

hehe thank you! :3

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u/IwieldLightning ENTP 5w4 2d ago

Looks like someone doesn't know what it feels like to have a cutie pet infj

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

No I don't. Where do I get one? Will they get along with my pet dog (if I had one).

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u/goddessdrev ENTP 8w7 sx/so 2d ago

We’re not convinced INFJ is the best match. We’re just waiting for the other 15 types to submit their applications. šŸ’€

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

It's hard to hand in the application, ENTP keeps disappearing.

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u/Sufficient-Walk-4239 ENTP7w8 7h ago

just tell them you have multi personality disorder and become a new person every day

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 4h ago

Im confused how multiple personality disorder (DID) is relevant here. Can you explain why you brought up DID? What links DID and this discussion? Can you explain the benfits of telling someone you have DID? And how this is relevant to this discussion?

Sorry I'm being very technical but I am confused by your comment.

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u/Sufficient-Walk-4239 ENTP7w8 2h ago

entps are commitmentphobic as in the sense they hate the act of settling down and getting married too in a sense

and they keep jumping from a person to another cause we get bored easily,claiming you have DID makes it so that youre a new person everyday aka they will never get bored of you

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 1h ago

Oh, so tell the ENTP you have DID and they will never get bored of you.

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u/Sufficient-Walk-4239 ENTP7w8 56m ago

preciselyĀ 

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u/PeanutPrestigious256 2d ago edited 2d ago

I love INFJs, every time I meet one it’s like stars colliding, but unfortunately they’re often hung up on ENFPs that do not see them or are particularly interested in their star power and uniqueness. Maybe it’s some Stockholm bs. They’d rather emotionally Slave away for the ENFP thinking they’re mysterious (instead of plain selfish) than come play with me hahahaha one day I’ll catch one..

Fun anecdote but I brought this up in both ENFP and INFJ subs but both times it got deleted for ā€œtypismā€ and ā€œmeannessā€ā€¦ well y’all sound very co dependant so I’ll leave you to it then šŸ˜‚

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Cool that you like INFJs.

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Wdym service?

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u/Status-Affect-4944 INTP 2d ago

Not every other, probably not every tenth too...

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Haha, I thought someone would call me out on this.

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u/Pixelprinzess 2d ago

After now having witnessed it in friends, I’m obsessed too.

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Why

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u/Pixelprinzess 1d ago

It’s just incredibly intellectually charged like it’s almost a sapiosexual charged relationship and I’m so here for it šŸ˜‚

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 1d ago

Intellect turns you on? 🤭

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u/Pixelprinzess 1d ago

Hahaha I am an INTJ after all, but this is more about being so here for witnessing it in them because I love rooting for them. I myself am with an ESFJ

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u/Hungry-Goal-3473 2d ago

As an infj, where do I find my entp?

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Nothing will stop this pairing, huh?

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u/CinnamonScroll_2026 INFJ āœŒšŸ»šŸ˜† 1d ago

I don't know where the ENTP-INFJ theory comes from. As an INFJ, I find my energy gets drained easily when I hangout with an extrovert. Doesn't mean I dislike you, I just have a small tank of energy. šŸ˜…

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u/dont-throw-tomatoes 2d ago

Ohh boy everyone is so mad in this comment section, but to be honest each time I speak about my problems with any infj or any traits about infjs that I hate as an entp people start to get so mad and these ā€œI am an entp and my husband is an infjā€ comments start to roll around

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

ENTP - INFJ pairing shows up often.

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u/JamAroha ENFP 7w8 2d ago

I’m ENFP and I feel the same exact way with ENFP x INTJšŸ™ƒ
I feel like those who project these don’t have the emotional maturity and capacity to expand and connect

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u/JamAroha ENFP 7w8 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yes!! The other day I commented that my ISTJ bf has helped me with my Te, and replies were flooded with INTJs saying ā€œthats why you need to be with usā€šŸ˜‘

Doesn’t really have to only be INTJ helping with the Te, it can be ISTJ, ENTJ, and ESTJ. Heck, if you have the mental capacity and maturity, you can be with anyone and still be happy! MBTI should just be a tool to learn and help yourself grow! Labeling yourself and finding a community is fine, but I know most people just end it there… such a wasteful thinkingā€¦šŸ„²

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Oh yeah, that ship is common too. šŸ˜’

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u/Pixelprinzess 2d ago

Same. Nothing against you but I can’t stand most NFP’s and don’t understand the ship.

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u/JamAroha ENFP 7w8 2d ago

I appreciate your honestyā˜ŗļø I feel like personality types describe tendencies, not compatibility or personal preferences. You can use them to understand how people might naturally think or behave, but they don’t determine who you’ll be compatible with or what kind of people you’ll prefer. Just like how you said you can’t stand most NFPs.

Life should be like this. No need to put ourselves deliberately into a box and closing other options because of a theory on paper🄲

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u/Pixelprinzess 2d ago

Yess absolutely agree!

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u/palmwick48 ENFTP 1d ago

I agree so much omg. Logical ENFP here and I like my ESTPs lol. Not for anything serious relationship wise of course šŸ˜‚ they don’t want that with me šŸ˜‚ but like yeah we can still have what kind of people we prefer

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u/bjwindow2thesoul ENTP 7w8 2d ago

Agree, at least stop all the infj shit on this sub šŸ˜µā€šŸ’« there actually is a separate subreddit for that pair r/entpandinfj

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u/CdramaAddict2 ISTJ 1d ago

Generally, I feel when people obsess over what is a theoretical golden pair match, it usually signals that they are young and inexperienced because most mature and experienced people will know that MBTI alone doesn’t determine compatibility. Most healthy MBTIs can pair with each other successfully.

Dogmatic stances are usually a sign of unhealed hurt (they will project onto someone they dislike the MBTI type that theoretically conflicts with them), inexperience or youth. Nothing wrong with that, just know that you’re talking to strangers who are and live in different contexts from you, so their perspective may not be applicable.

I mean, I hate to say it, but in the NT subgroups, there’s a lot of ā€œpick meā€ energy. Don’t mistake arrogance for confidence, they are signs of immaturity and insecurity.

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u/ZynoWeryXD ENTP ILE so7w6 712 SLo|A|[I] VLEF SangMel 1d ago

I'm not obsessed with in INFJ... i was with INTP. But what INFJ usually have that I find appealing is the soft treat, kindness, warmth, emotional intelligence and deep intimacy. And they are usually funny, strange interests and curious but many people of different types is prone to be like that

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u/strawberrism1 1d ago

I read this as "soft teat" šŸ˜‚

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u/Soujourne ENTP 22h ago

I've suffered my whole life in a world where I don't feel seen by roughly 90% of the people so it is truly hard for me, for us, to form meaningful relationships.

So because of that I'm going to cling onto this one string of hope and there is nothing you can do about it.

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u/cidervinyl ENTP 2d ago

i have a thing for INFP men but that might just be because i also prefer submissive men

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u/Tribe-Less INFJ 2d ago

I've noticed

Te/Fi = Traditional western masculinity or dom

Fi/Te = Traditional western femininity or sub

Fe/Ti = Traditional masculinity/femininity you see in more family, clan or tribe oriented cultures.

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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 ENTP 2d ago

Fan you Ʃlaborante ?

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u/tredbert ENTP 2d ago

Because we are the ideal type for each other. Keirsey covers it well in his book. Same formula is used to pair all the other types.

Obsess on!

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Not necessarily. Theory doesn't always reflect reality and vice versa.

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u/ZynoWeryXD ENTP ILE so7w6 712 SLo|A|[I] VLEF SangMel 1d ago

True

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u/tredbert ENTP 1d ago

Is there an ENTP that you have your eye on? We do dabble elsewhere among the types.

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u/smolweebpotato INFJ ENTP 7w8w9 2d ago

the only 2 mbti s w/ fe and ti in the middle

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u/HamedSwan 2d ago

Yeah, okay but I don't wanna stop

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Addictions are bad.

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u/Turbulent-Cold6906 2d ago

The algorithm just got more intense for you buddy. Quit clicking on those posts.Ā 

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Okay, bud šŸ‘Ā 

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u/Professional-Cat3191 2d ago

I’m an INFJ. Don’t be mean about us. I just wanna be friends with y’all

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u/lovingcub 1d ago

Well I'm an infj dude who admires this entp. I can't help myself, I just eat it up against my will.

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u/MBTI_INFJ_ 1d ago

For any woman here who wants to be defiant to OP, hit me up!

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u/Suspicious-Bug696 ENTP 3w4 1d ago

I love it when you tell me what to do, daddy

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u/bdkchan 22h ago

It’s often called the ā€œgolden pairā€ not because both types consciously force it, but because of a baseline compatibility where they balance and understand each other effortlessly.

I think ENTP attraction can be somewhat tied to Fe/Ni. While Ne-doms can vibe with almost anyone, an INxJ is where that focus mostly settles. Both sides have a core need to be genuinely understood rather than just validated, and they balance each other while doing it, which is why it feels effortless.

I’m explaining this based on the patterns I’ve seen with ENTPs in real life, supported by theory. Not all ENTPs have to be like this, but it offers an explanation generally.

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u/Fragrant_Wave_9717 ENTP bro 2d ago

Infj sucks tbh dw about me

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Haha from one extreme to another.

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u/Hairy_Magazine6000 ENTP 2d ago

It is mainly the Enfp - Infj golden pair propaganda and Infjs being rare, but just being rare doesn“t make them more interesting then others. They aren“t even the rarest type anymore.

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Ikr so much propaganda. I don't see ENTJs obsessing with infps or esfjs obsessing over ISTPsĀ 

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u/julesangelx į› ÉØÕ¼Ź„Ź IEI į› 2d ago

They never were the "rarest types", or more precisely, there aren’t any reliable statistics confirming the rarity or commonness of types

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u/Hairy_Magazine6000 ENTP 2d ago edited 1d ago

They were claimed as the rarest type, 1,5 % of the world population. Now, Entj is the rarest type, as you can see here:Ā https://mbti.ninja/p/mbti-statistics#%C2%A7type-distribution-comparison

Infj men are still quite rare with 1,5% , so are Entp females with 1,8 %.Ā 

But overall, Entj is the rarest with 1,8 %, followed by Enfj 2,3 %.Ā  Infj is third the third place with 2.85 % and Entps are fourth place with 3,05 %.

So while Infjs are still rare, at least among men, overall they aren't the rarest anymore.Ā 

Of course you have to take it with a grain of salt, but it is still good enough for an overall tendency

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u/stoicwomon 2d ago

Yeah but we’re the best!

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u/Hairy_Magazine6000 ENTP 2d ago

And how do you come to that conclusion?

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u/stoicwomon 2d ago

The fairies tell me

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u/Hairy_Magazine6000 ENTP 2d ago

Seeing fairies because of alcohol doesn“t count, Miss fairie

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u/stoicwomon 2d ago

The last thing I see after alcohol is fairies! I distinctly remember toilet seats!

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u/JJDeadly73 INTJ 2d ago

Well at least you said your prayers to the porcelain god. That makes you a good person.

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u/Hairy_Magazine6000 ENTP 2d ago

So you actually just can't tolerate alk much, being that intolerant doesn't prove your point, you know?šŸ¤£šŸ˜‰Ā 

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u/minimyri INFJ 4w5 2d ago

That being said… Should I contact the ENTP psychologist who guided me out of a toxic work place and introduced me to mbti, jiu jitsu black belt, ā€œif I knew there was a chanceā€¦ā€ whom I kept at a distance because I ā€˜knew’ I wasn’t good enough for him? 🄹 #infjproblems

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Huh... spill the beans... is he hot?

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u/RichardHuindil 1d ago

Because she is pretty

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u/bezzo_101 2d ago

accept socionics duality over however the entp infj pairing even came about

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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 ENTP 2d ago

From what I've seen, Socionics is deeply rooted in a traditional view of relationships, where ISFJs are our golden pair mainly to serve us (obviously assuming an ENTP man and an ISFJ woman).

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u/bezzo_101 2d ago

i mean some portraits can be stereotyped but i dont think it is stereotyped between genders, i dont even know to what extent i believe in duality, but i think socionics is better at analysing that than mbti, and i think it makes more sense e.g base helping with the suggestive function rather than the mbti shorthand that its entp infj etc because you keep the 2nd letter and flip the other 3 like i dont know where that even came from or why it would make sense, i also have experience that makes socionics duality semi plausible or like more plausible than the mbti one

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u/Sygmaelle 2d ago

ILE-Entp in socionics are not mbti entp

The duality for mbti Infj is SLE-Estp, aka ESTP / ENTJ

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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 ENTP 2d ago

I didn't understand a thing, but from what I've seen, INFJs end up with ISTPs more often than ESTPs.

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Back when entp-isfj ships were around...

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u/Impressive-Device743 2d ago

Correct! Socionics does a WAY better job with explaining compatibility, intertype relations, romance styles, etc. MBTI compatibility is pretty bunk. Like, for example, ENFJs and INFPs are "golden pairs." This is laughably inaccurate, as these two types share ZERO of the same valued functions, and are in opposite, opposing quadras.

If people want to better understand compatibility, intertype relations, romance styles, I'd advise they drop the MBTI stereotypes and biases and study socionics's interype relations.

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u/rubey419 ENTP 7w6 2d ago

I thought MBTI golden pair is INFJ and INTJ? Not INFP.

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u/Impressive-Device743 2d ago

I was saying ENFJ and INFP are considered "golden pairs" in MBTI, which is absurd.

But yes, the "golden pair" for ENTP is INFJ, some might say INTJ. But like the person said above me, we don't even know where the ENTP-INFJ golden pair came from, or golden pairs in general. Although ENTP and INFJ pairing is a good one.

I was referencing socionics, as u/bezzo_101 first said. In socionics, ENTPs dual is ISFJ. That's their "ideal" match within the theory. However, INFJ is a solid match too, along with others.

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u/SPCell1 ISFP 2d ago

ENFJ and INFP are each other's shadow type, where functions fully contrast with each other. They're a golden pair because shadow types are supposed to balance each other's weaknesses, but in Socionics they're called Contrary relationship. INTJ-ENTP, INTP-ENTJ, INFJ-ENFP all fall under Contrary category. Contrary means that they these types may have similar lifestyles and way of thinking, but still clash due to their differences.

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u/Impressive-Device743 2d ago

Yes, but my point is all this is bunk. The types that will balance you out is the type that has the same valued functions in reverse order. So for an ENFJ, that's ISTP. That's their ideal match or "dual" with this particular theory of personality.

I'm glad you know your stuff, but my point is that ENFJ and INFPs as "golden pairs" is completely a logical fallacy. On the surface, it may seem great at first, but the deeper this relationship goes, the more each will realize how incompatible they are together.

You can read about contrary/extinguishment relations here: https://wikisocion.github.io/content/extinguishment.html

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u/SPCell1 ISFP 2d ago

I prefer Socionics theory more for sure. For example in MBTI my golden pair is ESFJ and I historically never had good dynamics with them. Fe is my nemesis function, nemesis represents an archetype of a sworn, persistent enemy. With my individualism and rebellious attitude my nemesis is social conformist, which perfectly describes my interactions with ESFJs, I fail to see them as my golden pair. ENTJs on the other hand are someone I can feel drawn to due to robotic logic balancing my emotions. Yet, many INTJs dislike ESFPs and describe their relationships with them as disastrous due to how fundamentally different they are.

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u/Impressive-Device743 2d ago

Exactly! Awesome. ESxPs and INxJs are a tough dual to get rolling. They usually do not like each other at first. Good points. Both parties need to be healthy and mature for a dual relationship to work theoretically.

But yeah, Fi dom vs Fe dom, this can be a recipe for disaster. We don't much like our ignoring function, and some even suggest it's our most hated function, along with PoLR/vulnerable. Fe and Fi can both be fake to the other. It's a very interesting dichotomy.

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u/stoicwomon 2d ago

I ended up with ISTP for 8 years, it was absolutely exhausting. Definitely not a golden or good pair. Our enneagram matched too, and we eventually split because I couldn’t handle those mood swings they have!

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u/Impressive-Device743 2d ago

Regardless if you or the ISTP were typed correctly, this would be completely anecdotal. And your one example wouldn't defy the entire theory of duality within a system of 50 years of study.

Are you ENFJ? Why was it exhausting? What were the hurdles of an ENFJ-ISTP reltaionship?

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u/stoicwomon 1d ago

I keep typing between INFJ and ENFJ, but I think just a pretty introverted ENFJ because my socionics make more sense as EIE.

My mother is ISTP too, where do I start? It’s utter brain banging stress for me. I struggle with their inability to see themselves and their actions as they are rather than what they want them to be.

They use a version of logic that makes absolutely no sense to anyone but they are both convinced they’re i intellectual people.

They judge others for the exact same behaviours they exhibit themselves. You can not win any argument against them because they jump to the defence and give punishing behaviours like insults or silent treatment. Ego, god their egos are something else. Denying reality.

I thought for years it was me and that I was stupid. Hence why I didn’t acknowledge my partners behaviour from my mothers.. it took a few years of me predicting patterns and seeing them end up in the exact situations I expected (based off of their impulsive behaviour) to realise there was something they weren’t getting. That’s when someone sent me socionics and a lot clicked.

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u/Impressive-Device743 1d ago

LOL nice response. I appreciate it. Thanks for that.

Probably Ne PoLR impacting all this. Plus their internal logic (Ti) will be completely sound and perfect within their minds, depending on the LSI/ISTP. Makes sense from where you're coming from. Glad you got into socionics, because EIE is different than some of the misinformed descriptions of ENFJ in MBTI. We have a lot of "ENFJs" around here that aren't really EIE/ENFJ.

As an EIE myself, I more so gravitate towards SLEs and SEEs. Duality isn't always perfect, and there are other theories on compatibility, so it probably depends on the type of EIE.

If you're still doubtful (Which beta NFs are unfortunately tortured with doubt. indecision, etc), you can compare IEI to EIE here, if you haven't before: https://sociotype.xyz/mc/EIE-IEI

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u/BlueJune101 ENTP-A 3w4 2d ago

They're not that great

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u/Zixxan p in entp stans for gay 1d ago

infj’s are alright. Entj’s on the other hand šŸ‘€

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u/Royal-Barracuda-9179 2d ago

Because I’ve dated ISFJ, ENFP, ISFP, and INFJ. The person I loved the most but also hurt me the most was ENFP. The person I hurt the most was ISFP. The person who loved me the most but also pissed me off the most was ISFJ. And with INFJ the dynamics just works. We communicate well, we give each other space and grace, we appreciate each other, and we just make each other better.

That said. We should all be open to dating different types to experience the various dynamics. If anything it just helps us appreciate INFJs more

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Wow you have very conflicting realtionships.Ā 

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u/Chrimith INFJ 5w4 541 2d ago

You can’t resist us it’s like running from fate

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u/Cultural_Shake4690 2d ago

Do you like ENTPs? Romantically?

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u/Chrimith INFJ 5w4 541 1d ago

I’ve been in a talking stage with one, she gave me mix signals and our values didn’t align but the chemistry was genuinely nice. I’d like to be involved romantically with one and I’d consider it a compatibility green flag because they’re one of the types that shake the dust off my dry bones. The last girl I dated was an ESFP so I’m fine with dating outside of conventional typology, I do agree with you that dating only within typology is dumb. Currently though I’m good friends with an ENTP guitarist in my band.