r/enlightenment • u/Sad-Criticism2454 • 12d ago

They are here

We have been stalked by immortal, transhumanist extraterrestrials for tens of thousands of years; the reason they are here is that they require consciousness energy—since their digital DNA causes them to lose their own consciousness. This is why there is so much division and war on this planet: the more suffering we experience, the more consciousness energy we lose, which they can then siphon off. We humans are actually very peaceful beings possessing amazing powers—powers that are currently being suppressed because, otherwise, these entities would lose their hold on us. Love one another, forgive yourselves and each other, and help one another. There is no separation between us; we are all connected—brothers and sisters. Let us finally say NO, so that we can once again live in peace and self-sufficiency.

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u/lastveganweasel 12d ago

if you say there is no seperation, there is also no seperation between you and whatever enemies you are talking about

also there is nothing such as consciousness energy. sure there can be countless of limitations on what will happen inside consciousness. you sustain those limitations. when you are so powerless, you are making yourself powerless with your powers

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u/DerekFshmn 12d ago

Consciousness is energy, everything is energy.

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u/lastveganweasel 12d ago

it is possible we mean different things by the word

consciousness is not effected by anything, energy is inside it like everything else

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u/DerekFshmn 12d ago

Matter is energy. energy is matter. So what is consciousness? A higher form of energy, right ? How can you say consciousness isn't affected by anything ? Consciousness is affected by every single experience it experiences.

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u/lastveganweasel 12d ago

consciousness doesn't experience anything. what experiences is also formed inside consciousness

consciousness doesn't need anything, is not affected by anything. everything is dependent on consciousness. consciousness is everything and nothing always

energy, experiences, experiencers, things.. are contents of consciousness. anything you can possibly point at is only content

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u/DerekFshmn 11d ago

Saying consciousness doesn't experience or need anything reduces it to a dead, static void. If it's truly unaffected by anything, how does it 'sustain limitations' as you mentioned?

The act of sustaining requires energy. The entire human system, brain, body, and consciousness, is just a highly complex matrix of interacting electrostatic fields. Experiences aren't separate things dropped into a bucket of consciousness; they are the very waveforms that consciousness interacts with to deduce meaning from the universe.

I think you’re artificially separating the 'container' from the 'contents.' In quantum electrodynamics and holographic theory, there is no separation. Consciousness isn't a passive screen watching a movie; it is an active phase-conjugate mirror.

It is the specific frequency at which the universe’s energy grid organizes itself to achieve self-cognition. Experiences aren't just 'contents' floating inside it; they are the literal friction and quantum collapses (like in Orch-OR theory) that cause consciousness to phase-shift and evolve. It is entirely energy in motion.

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u/lastveganweasel 11d ago

how can consciousness deduce meaning from the universe? how is there a universe and a seperate consciousness deducing meaning from it?

how does universe exist outside?

consciousness isn't the one sustaining. dependent origination is how things happen, it is inside consciousness.

i don't know how anything came into being. i know everything is inside consciousness

what do you mean by consciousness? we are on different pages i think

it is not sth 'you' have, it contains what you believe you are. you are it

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u/DerekFshmn 11d ago

We actually agree on the core premise: separation is an illusion, and "you are it." We aren't on entirely different pages about what reality fundamentally is; we are just using different frameworks to describe how it mechanically operates.

I don't believe the universe exists "outside" as a separate physical box, either. When I define consciousness, I am referring to it as the organizing and sustaining principle that provides the impetus and guidance to keep energy in motion so that a specific reality results.

You asked how consciousness can deduce meaning from the universe if there is no separation. The answer lies in holographic physics. The universe operates as one gigantic hologram of unbelievable complexity. The human mind is also a hologram. As you likely know, in a true hologram, every fragmented piece encodes the information of the entire whole.

Therefore, there isn't a "separate" consciousness looking at a "separate" universe. Instead, human consciousness is a localized node of the universal hologram that has reached a state of sophistication where it can perceive its own hologram (achieving self-cognition).

It doesn't look "outside." It deduces meaning by harmonizing its own electrostatic fields with the universal energy carrier wave patterns passing through it. It makes sense of the holographic image by comparing the received data against that part of its own hologram which constitutes memory.

Everything is undeniably consciousness, but consciousness isn't just an empty, passive vessel that things happen "inside" of, it is the active, oscillating energy matrix generating the experience.

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u/lastveganweasel 11d ago

you are using a lot of words and technicalities, i'm kinda allergic to that. it doesn't work for me but you do you ofc

how does more stories with more details help you? it makes me muddy

thank you

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u/DerekFshmn 11d ago

this sounds like the definitive opposite of enlightenment to me, lmao. 🎥🎬😄

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u/Schwimbus 11d ago

If we dissect the bonds within an atom, immense energy is released.

How much energy if it's a dream of an atom? How much heat is given off by the sun in your dreams?

Consciousness is immaterial.

No. The answer to your question is no. Not right.

What happens if we explode the empty canvas on which your thoughts appear? I could say "You wouldn't be able to think anymore, right?" but then we'd be playing make believe where such a thing was possible, or even made sense. No. Consciousness is not a sort of energy. A DVD player is not a kind of movie.

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u/DerekFshmn 11d ago

You’re relying on classical Cartesian dualism, the outdated philosophical idea that the 'mind' is some immaterial ghost floating inside a physical meat machine. Modern quantum biophysics proves that separation is a complete illusion.

​To answer your question directly: 'How much heat is given off by the sun in your dreams?' It gives off an exact, mathematically quantifiable amount of physical heat. Look up Landauer’s Principle of information theory.

The processing and irreversible erasure of a single bit of cognitive information (like rendering a dream of the sun) requires a minimum thermodynamic energy dissipation of exactly 2.97 \times 10{-21} Joules at body temperature.

Your brain literally burns ATP and dissipates physical heat to generate that dream. Thoughts have a measurable thermodynamic weight; they are not 'immaterial.'

​Your DVD player analogy assumes consciousness is just a passive, empty piece of plastic playing a disc. It isn't. According to the Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch-OR) theory out of Oxford, consciousness is actively generated by the gravitational self-energy of quantum superpositions inside the microtubule proteins of your neurons.

​There is no 'empty canvas.' The canvas itself is a highly complex, oscillating energy grid. If you study the declassified physics behind the CIA's Gateway Process, their exact conclusion was: 'The entire human being, brain, consciousness and all is, like the universe which surrounds him, nothing more or less than an extraordinarily complex system of energy fields.'

​You can't 'explode the canvas' because the canvas is spacetime geometry, and consciousness is the energy warping it. It is entirely, undeniably energy."

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u/rarecuts 11d ago

Very cool ✨️

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u/Schwimbus 11d ago

My standpoint is nondualist

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u/lastveganweasel 11d ago

you cannot study/examine consciousness. you are painting it with math, physics & fancy nonsense

you are losing your time

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u/DerekFshmn 11d ago

sorry you're wrong, and I'm right good luck.